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scienceexplorer1
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Intro section on Explore?

TurtleLegos wrote:

orangetheory wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

orangetheory wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

orangetheory wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

No support.
The section would be overtaken by animations due to there not being enough intros. Also, wouldn't there be a ton of suggestions for adding outros?
search up “intro.” see how many results you get. Then come back and edit your post. Also, outros are pretty much the same as intros, so the two could just be added together
Search up “platformer.” See how many results you get. Then come back and edit your post.
Platformers are games. Everybody knows that. However, intros are a little harder to perceive as animations… which you can see by clicking the “animations” section. Intros? None, not even after clicking the load more button 10 times. See, this is what I mean. Add intros into “animations” or make a separate section. Fair?
There is an intro on #4 in overall.
Yeah, but that's, like, the first intro in Explore in two weeks? (and the one by @porishead7) And that intro isn't on the “animations” page.
They're still animations.

They are but they are more different, which is why we have this suggestion

Last edited by scienceexplorer1 (Dec. 1, 2021 23:26:08)

TurtleLegos
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Intro section on Explore?

scienceexplorer1 wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

orangetheory wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

orangetheory wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

orangetheory wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

No support.
The section would be overtaken by animations due to there not being enough intros. Also, wouldn't there be a ton of suggestions for adding outros?
search up “intro.” see how many results you get. Then come back and edit your post. Also, outros are pretty much the same as intros, so the two could just be added together
Search up “platformer.” See how many results you get. Then come back and edit your post.
Platformers are games. Everybody knows that. However, intros are a little harder to perceive as animations… which you can see by clicking the “animations” section. Intros? None, not even after clicking the load more button 10 times. See, this is what I mean. Add intros into “animations” or make a separate section. Fair?
There is an intro on #4 in overall.
Yeah, but that's, like, the first intro in Explore in two weeks? (and the one by @porishead7) And that intro isn't on the “animations” page.
They're still animations.

They are but they are more different, which is why we have this suggestion

I realize that. Can you provide to me five good reasons why intros are not the same as animations?
scienceexplorer1
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Intro section on Explore?

TurtleLegos wrote:

scienceexplorer1 wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

orangetheory wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

orangetheory wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

orangetheory wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

No support.
The section would be overtaken by animations due to there not being enough intros. Also, wouldn't there be a ton of suggestions for adding outros?
search up “intro.” see how many results you get. Then come back and edit your post. Also, outros are pretty much the same as intros, so the two could just be added together
Search up “platformer.” See how many results you get. Then come back and edit your post.
Platformers are games. Everybody knows that. However, intros are a little harder to perceive as animations… which you can see by clicking the “animations” section. Intros? None, not even after clicking the load more button 10 times. See, this is what I mean. Add intros into “animations” or make a separate section. Fair?
There is an intro on #4 in overall.
Yeah, but that's, like, the first intro in Explore in two weeks? (and the one by @porishead7) And that intro isn't on the “animations” page.
They're still animations.

They are but they are more different, which is why we have this suggestion

I realize that. Can you provide to me five good reasons why intros are not the same as animations?

I'm not disagreeing that intros aren't animation.
What I am saying is their purpose is, most of the time, different from animations.
scienceexplorer1
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Intro section on Explore?

dhuls wrote:

Use https://scratch-mit-edu.ezproxyberklee.flo.org/search/projects?q=%23intro and https://scratch-mit-edu.ezproxyberklee.flo.org/search/projects?q=%23outro

That's searching, which is based on statistics and does not have any other affecting factors.

Trending updates in a shortspan.
dhuls
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Intro section on Explore?

scienceexplorer1 wrote:

dhuls wrote:

Use https://scratch-mit-edu.ezproxyberklee.flo.org/search/projects?q=%23intro and https://scratch-mit-edu.ezproxyberklee.flo.org/search/projects?q=%23outro

That's searching, which is based on statistics and does not have any other affecting factors.

Trending updates in a shortspan.
You see that dropdown? Click it, then select “trending”
D-ScratchNinja
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Intro section on Explore?

As it stands now, each of the categories are somewhat different from each other. That's why “Games” is one of the categories. What is a game a type of? I don't know. If making intros isn't a completely different activity than making an animation, then it's kinda debatable whether there should be some form of a section for it.

Although, if we had a subcategory for Animations, that would be a great fit for it! Since an intro is a type of animation, I do think we should keep them in the Animations section for now, and then if we ever have subcategories, then intros may very well deserve their own subcategory.
scienceexplorer1
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Intro section on Explore?

D-ScratchNinja wrote:

As it stands now, each of the categories are somewhat different from each other. That's why “Games” is one of the categories. What is a game a type of? I don't know. If making intros isn't a completely different activity than making an animation, then it's kinda debatable whether there should be some form of a section for it.

Although, if we had a subcategory for Animations, that would be a great fit for it! Since an intro is a type of animation, I do think we should keep them in the Animations section for now, and then if we ever have subcategories, then intros may very well deserve their own subcategory.
Mostly agree
Slightly disagree

Intros have a different purposes than most animations
orangetheory
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Intro section on Explore?

TurtleLegos wrote:

They're still animations.
Prove it. Animations is a bunch of costumes. Intros? pure motion design, with tons of programming involved.
orangetheory
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Intro section on Explore?

TurtleLegos wrote:

I realize that. Can you provide to me five good reasons why intros are not the same as animations?
1. Intros involve programming and motion design whereas animations only require costumes

2. Intros have different purposes than animations - can't we just say that games are animations as well since most of them involve animations? Yes, but it is for a different purpose. Same with intros.

3. Intros don't show any story line, unlike animations, which show some sort of story line, enough to make a difference.

4. the rest is here and here

5. compare the two articles and note any major differences (other than that they both involve motion)
orangetheory
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Intro section on Explore?

D-ScratchNinja wrote:

As it stands now, each of the categories are somewhat different from each other. That's why “Games” is one of the categories. What is a game a type of? I don't know. If making intros isn't a completely different activity than making an animation, then it's kinda debatable whether there should be some form of a section for it.

Although, if we had a subcategory for Animations, that would be a great fit for it! Since an intro is a type of animation, I do think we should keep them in the Animations section for now, and then if we ever have subcategories, then intros may very well deserve their own subcategory.
https://scratch-mit-edu.ezproxyberklee.flo.org/discuss/topic/562096/?page=2#post-5830691
orangetheory
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Intro section on Explore?

dhuls wrote:

scienceexplorer1 wrote:

dhuls wrote:

Use https://scratch-mit-edu.ezproxyberklee.flo.org/search/projects?q=%23intro and https://scratch-mit-edu.ezproxyberklee.flo.org/search/projects?q=%23outro

That's searching, which is based on statistics and does not have any other affecting factors.

Trending updates in a shortspan.
You see that dropdown? Click it, then select “trending”
That's not what we are talking about. This is
EDIT: Sorry for the misunderstanding ^^^^ but as for your answer, can't we just search up “games” then do the same thing? And with animations? Oh, and with music and art….. so…. why not intros?

Last edited by orangetheory (Dec. 2, 2021 00:30:58)

dhuls
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Intro section on Explore?

orangetheory wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

They're still animations.
Prove it. Animations is a bunch of costumes. Intros? pure motion design, with tons of programming involved.

Wikipedia wrote:

Animation is a method in which figures are manipulated to appear as moving images.

Google wrote:

the technique of photographing successive drawings or positions of puppets or models to create an illusion of movement when the movie is shown as a sequence.

orangetheory wrote:

1. Intros involve programming and motion design whereas animations only require costumes

orangetheory wrote:

3. Intros don't show any story line, unlike animations, which show some sort of story line, enough to make a difference.
As I've already proved, that doesn't make it not an animation.
orangetheory
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Intro section on Explore?

dhuls wrote:

As I've already proved, that doesn't make it not an animation.
Click the links to the websites.
scienceexplorer1
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Intro section on Explore?

If intro belongs in animation,
then why is animation mostly filled with stories or plot projects?

Last edited by scienceexplorer1 (Dec. 2, 2021 01:07:19)

dhuls
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Intro section on Explore?

scienceexplorer1 wrote:

If intro belongs in animation,
then why is animation mostly filled with stories or plot projects?
Probably because some people like the animations there more than intros.
Still doesn't change the fact that intros are animations.

orangetheory wrote:

dhuls wrote:

As I've already proved, that doesn't make it not an animation.
Click the links to the websites.
The UIs have animations, but they aren't just an animation. Intros, however, are literally just animations. More complex, but still just animations.
scienceexplorer1
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Intro section on Explore?

dhuls wrote:

scienceexplorer1 wrote:

If intro belongs in animation,
then why is animation mostly filled with stories or plot projects?
Probably because some people like the animations there more than intros.
Still doesn't change the fact that intros are animations.

orangetheory wrote:

dhuls wrote:

As I've already proved, that doesn't make it not an animation.
Click the links to the websites.
The UIs have animations, but they aren't just an animation. Intros, however, are literally just animations. More complex, but still just animations.

With a different meaning.

scienceexplorer1 wrote:

If intro belongs in animation,
then why is animation mostly filled with stories or plot projects?
Still doesn't change the fact that most animations are stories.

Sorry for the wrong quote

Last edited by scienceexplorer1 (Dec. 5, 2021 19:57:55)

orangetheory
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Intro section on Explore?

dhuls wrote:

The UIs have animations, but they aren't just an animation. Intros, however, are literally just animations. More complex, but still just animations.
I don't know why so many people think intros are animations. Sure, they are. Everything on a computer screen is. But in animations (in scratch context) animations are things moving around with a basic story line in it, people speaking (not necessarily). Intros are for starting out your Scratch project with some nice motion designs.
EDIT:. Also, a lot of people are ignoring the fact that when you scroll down in the animations tab, you don't see any intros. So if so many people are saying intros are animations, why aren't any in the “animations” tab? So, if not intros having their own unique and independent place for themselves, then at least put them in the “animations” section.

Last edited by orangetheory (Dec. 2, 2021 02:25:55)

-EmeraldThunder-
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Intro section on Explore?

orangetheory wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

They're still animations.
Prove it. Animations is a bunch of costumes. Intros? pure motion design, with tons of programming involved.
An intro cannot be a seprate project for there is nothing to introduce. If they are not true intros then they should not have their own separate category.
TurtleLegos
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Intro section on Explore?

orangetheory wrote:

TurtleLegos wrote:

They're still animations.
Prove it. Animations is a bunch of costumes. Intros? pure motion design, with tons of programming involved.
Animations as well have quite a bit of those.

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