No, I agree with Tealseagull:

Austinato wrote:

Although [“Save Scratch”] studios may not be productive in solving these issues, I think users are still [allowed] to create them so long as they aren't breaking CGs. If they are, users can … report, let the ST handle it, and move on.

Austinato wrote:

No, I agree with Tealseagull:

Austinato wrote:

Although [“Save Scratch”] studios may not be productive in solving these issues, I think users are still [allowed] to create them so long as they aren't breaking CGs. If they are, users can … report, let the ST handle it, and move on.

Yes, but they said what they did in a way that I didn't recognize as an agreement of your opinion. My bad.

lm1996 wrote:

1Oaktree2 wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

Could you give hypothetical examples of studios that you'd like to see removed? For whatever reason, I'm not sure I fully understand the title of your post (particularly “collaborations that impose faulty subjective rules of controversial topics”).

I support this suggestion (because this stuff usually spreads fake rumours and unnecessary drama) and am good at making hypothetical situations so here I go:

• *person remixes art project with different colours*
  
• Artist 1: They stole my art! Recolours are bad!
  
• *Artist 1 makes an exaggerated studio spreading rumours and hate against recolours
  
• Artist 2, 3, 4, and 5: OMG that is so bad
  
• *Remixer finds studio and defends themselves*
  

And that's the drama that could be unnecessarily caused

That is not how most ppl deal w/ that, I haven't seen any studios about that stuff.
Also stealing art usually happens when you don't just remix.

It's hypothetical, I have seen many situations like this anyway

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I don't think ALL “Save Scratch” should be banned, but those who harass users for recoloring / other things should be removed.

However the Save Scratch studios I've seen are mostly complaining about the unfair bans of Scratchers.

b u m p

Oh god. That “Unban Scratch” studio? long racist comment chain. Full support, because it causes more hate than prevents it.

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Support.

kccuber wrote:

Oh god. That “Unban Scratch” studio? long racist comment chain. Full support, because it causes more hate than prevents it.

Shajiui_Da_Black_Fox wrote:

I don't think ALL “Save Scratch” should be banned, but those who harass users for recoloring / other things should be removed.

Austinato wrote:

sonic__fan wrote:

Semi-support
I don't think we should impose false limitations on Scratchers (such as no F4F-ing, no Follow on-request), but I don't like those types of things, and they should be discouraged.

wait did word this correctly because some people may take this post the wrong way

I think it's understandable! I got the gist of your post.

Although the ST doesn't punish those who do F4F/requested follows, it's generally frowned upon by the community (including you), which is probably enough. Even if the ST were to “crack down” on these kinds of things, it's probably so prevalent that it'd be difficult to enforce. If someone's blatantly breaking the rules (such as by being disrespectful) then users should just report these things, let the ST handle it, and move on.

In my opinion, “Save Scratch” projects/studios tend to misinterpret this dynamic (i.e. becoming vigilantes, spreading and engaging in drama, etc.) and end up becoming counterintuitive (trying to fix the problem but end up creating it.) Although these studios may not exactly be productive in solving these issues, I think users are still within their right to create them so long as they aren't breaking CGs. If they are, users can do what I said at the end of the previous paragraph: report, let the ST handle it, and move on.

Drawing back to my previous post, if the ST “cracked down” on these studios, it would probably create drama within itself (people posting “WHY ARE THEY CENSORING MY OPINION!?!?!?”)

-0Nebula0- wrote:

Support, as they endorse things that break ToU, such as no recoloring/remixing and stuff, and yeah, ban f4f ((aka rejected))

I think that with these quotes this could be fully supported.

“save scratch” posts etc are just annoying and are usually spam in themselves (ironic right?), “artist rights” things are by people who don't know what copyright is, and “anti-bullying” things are just a waste of time imo (bullies actually dont care man), although that last one is subjective and, provided it isn't somewhere it shouldn't be (for instance, most forum topics), there isn't much to be done about them and there isn't really anything wrong with them.

After the controversy died down, I halted all use of the -FreeScratch- account.

ScratchCat1038 wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

Could you give hypothetical examples of studios that you'd like to see removed? For whatever reason, I'm not sure I fully understand the title of your post (particularly “collaborations that impose faulty subjective rules of controversial topics”).

He had an example before, but removed it for some reason. I happen to curate the studio they mentioned, so I can give you the link.

But that actually talks about real issues. Scratch does need saving, and that is like banning roleplays because the roleplay itself might have drama. No support!

To all of the people who are saying Scratch needs saving: No, it doesn't. Scratch is doing better than ever. The monthly active users is higher than ever before. All of the issues (f4f, ads, bullying, recolors. art theft, etc.) have existed ever since there was a community on Scratch. In addition, recolors are allowed, f4f is allowed, and there are places where ads are allowed. If there was a major problem, the ST would have already done something about it.
Support.

dhuls wrote:

To all of the people who are saying Scratch needs saving: No, it doesn't. Scratch is doing better than ever. The monthly active users is higher than ever before. All of the issues (f4f, ads, bullying, recolors. art theft, etc.) have existed ever since there was a community on Scratch. In addition, recolors are allowed, f4f is allowed, and there are places where ads are allowed. If there was a major problem, the ST would have already done something about it.
Support.

Thank you dearly for covering the post above.

bump (yes, i am pretty inactive)

dhuls wrote:

To all of the people who are saying Scratch needs saving: No, it doesn't. Scratch is doing better than ever. The monthly active users is higher than ever before. All of the issues (f4f, ads, bullying, recolors. art theft, etc.) have existed ever since there was a community on Scratch. In addition, recolors are allowed, f4f is allowed, and there are places where ads are allowed. If there was a major problem, the ST would have already done something about it.
Support.

What about bullying, spam, ect?

Codingfairy07 wrote:

dhuls wrote:

To all of the people who are saying Scratch needs saving: No, it doesn't. Scratch is doing better than ever. The monthly active users is higher than ever before. All of the issues (f4f, ads, bullying, recolors. art theft, etc.) have existed ever since there was a community on Scratch. In addition, recolors are allowed, f4f is allowed, and there are places where ads are allowed. If there was a major problem, the ST would have already done something about it.
Support.

What about bullying, spam, ect?

The report button.

Due to the title, I support. “that impose faulty subjective rules” makes sense, they just go on ranting about how Scratch is dying!!1 and save scratch!!11 when in reality they don't understand what Scratch is.

Scratch is an online community for all ages, to imagine, program and share, not to see if a website is about die or something.
So they should try to improve the situation by doing the best they can, reduce spam, be kind and more…

And also, most of the people over on Scratch think that in the 2.0 era, the community guidelines were non-existent and that people could do whatever they want, but in reality Scratch has been the same, just following changing trends and so on … not dying or becoming toxic, blah blah blah. Due to the pandemic, the only thing that has happened to Scratch is that there has been a rise in the number of active users, and that server load has increased due to a lot of user generated content, nothing else.

Again, support.

Codingfairy07 wrote:

dhuls wrote:

To all of the people who are saying Scratch needs saving: No, it doesn't. Scratch is doing better than ever. The monthly active users is higher than ever before. All of the issues (f4f, ads, bullying, recolors. art theft, etc.) have existed ever since there was a community on Scratch. In addition, recolors are allowed, f4f is allowed, and there are places where ads are allowed. If there was a major problem, the ST would have already done something about it.
Support.

What about bullying, spam, ect?

That has always been on Scratch. Just press these buttons:





(All images courtesy of Scratch Wiki)

No support.
I've had enough of “censoring opinions”