Za-Chary wrote:

Is the URL really censored? This studio seems to have it in the description.

When I tried to put it in my project description, the bad word detector wouldn't let me, so I guess it's only in certain places.

BobzGames wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

Is the URL really censored? This studio seems to have it in the description.

When I tried to put it in my project description, the bad word detector wouldn't let me, so I guess it's only in certain places.

Ah, interesting. I wonder if the two text environments have different filters.

JPOWERPUFFGIRLS wrote:

BobzGames wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros2 wrote:

To be frank, this kind of talk should be between your family, not some random guy you hardly know. After all, it is their responsibility to look after you. No one else should be involved in your personal life.

What if you don't feel comfortable talking to your family about this topic? What if they are part of the problem?

If you don't trust your family on something, WHY would you trust STRANGERS that you do not
even know

I agree with @BobzGames here. Sadly, we live in a world where parents are often the people that drive kids to suicide. Strangers aren't always trustworthy, but their opinions can be valid. What if social media is the only place someone is safe to talk about this?

TheToothlessWolf wrote:

I agree with @BobzGames here. Sadly, we live in a world where parents are often the people that drive kids to suicide. Strangers aren't always trustworthy, but their opinions can be valid. What if social media is the only place someone is safe to talk about this?

Just to be clear, your parents are in charge. If they are responsible for causing another to stumble in their life, they will be held accountable – eventually.

By the way, I think you guys aren't getting my main point yet. Scratch is for all ages. Conversations about murder is unacceptable, like it or not. What stance you take on it is not what others take. It gets very violent, and, even if you don't agree, don't forget the Terms of Use. This would actually break them.

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

don't forget the Terms of Use. This would actually break them.

Then why hasn't the topic been closed by St?

BobzGames wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

don't forget the Terms of Use. This would actually break them.

Then why hasn't the topic been closed by St?

They're human. They take time, and likely didn't notice:

3.1 The Scratch Team supports freedom of expression. However, Scratch is intended for a wide audience, and some content is inappropriate for the Scratch community. You may not use the Scratch service in any way, that:

(1, 2, 3)

4. Contains sexually explicit or graphically violent material;

TheToothlessWolf wrote:

JPOWERPUFFGIRLS wrote:

BobzGames wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros2 wrote:

To be frank, this kind of talk should be between your family, not some random guy you hardly know. After all, it is their responsibility to look after you. No one else should be involved in your personal life.

What if you don't feel comfortable talking to your family about this topic? What if they are part of the problem?

If you don't trust your family on something, WHY would you trust STRANGERS that you do not
even know

I agree with @BobzGames here. Sadly, we live in a world where parents are often the people that drive kids to suicide. Strangers aren't always trustworthy, but their opinions can be valid. What if social media is the only place someone is safe to talk about this?

Social Media… safe… do we have the same definition of social media

Your Parents Opinions are much more valid that a stranger's if your parents do things that could drive you to suicide, call the police, don't go chit chatting with strangers on the internet about it

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

TheToothlessWolf wrote:

I agree with @BobzGames here. Sadly, we live in a world where parents are often the people that drive kids to suicide. Strangers aren't always trustworthy, but their opinions can be valid. What if social media is the only place someone is safe to talk about this?

Just to be clear, your parents are in charge. If they are responsible for causing another to stumble in their life, they will be held accountable – eventually.

By the way, I think you guys aren't getting my main point yet. Scratch is for all ages. Conversations about murder is unacceptable, like it or not. What stance you take on it is not what others take. It gets very violent, and, even if you don't agree, don't forget the Terms of Use. This would actually break them.

Agreed

I hate to sound ignorant, but if you're having trouble having a genuine discussion to your parents about your feelings, then there are some underlying issues you need to deal with between you and them. (I highly suggest therapy, by the way - just started it and it's been great.)

I'm kinda okay with this suggestion, but as others pointed out it might encourage negative discussion and venting around Scratch.
From moderating other sites, this type of discussion ends up becoming very risky. 9/10 times the entire discussion devolves into the notorious “echo chamber” - that stuff gets out of hand really quickly and it just destroys the entire mood.

As much as we want to make sure the other person is okay, none of us are as qualified to help other people or discuss actual solutions that will help them in the long term. Suicide is often a long-term issue that people need to overcome - we can only provide short-term solutions.

Off topic, but doesn't Family Sharing look over the actual content of sites as well for inappropriate content? I know other parental control softwares do that…

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

BobzGames wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

don't forget the Terms of Use. This would actually break them.

Then why hasn't the topic been closed by St?

They're human. They take time, and likely didn't notice:

3.1 The Scratch Team supports freedom of expression. However, Scratch is intended for a wide audience, and some content is inappropriate for the Scratch community. You may not use the Scratch service in any way, that:

(1, 2, 3)

4. Contains sexually explicit or graphically violent material;

Za-chary has posted in this topic

BobzGames wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

BobzGames wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

don't forget the Terms of Use. This would actually break them.

Then why hasn't the topic been closed by St?

They're human. They take time, and likely didn't notice:

3.1 The Scratch Team supports freedom of expression. However, Scratch is intended for a wide audience, and some content is inappropriate for the Scratch community. You may not use the Scratch service in any way, that:

(1, 2, 3)

4. Contains sexually explicit or graphically violent material;

Za-chary has posted in this topic

Well. he may be want to see if anyone has any questions, or concerns, and I've seen circumstances where a moderator forgot to close a topic, till a little while later

BobzGames wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

BobzGames wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

don't forget the Terms of Use. This would actually break them.

Then why hasn't the topic been closed by St?

They're human. They take time, and likely didn't notice:

3.1 The Scratch Team supports freedom of expression. However, Scratch is intended for a wide audience, and some content is inappropriate for the Scratch community. You may not use the Scratch service in any way, that:

(1, 2, 3)

4. Contains sexually explicit or graphically violent material;

Za-chary has posted in this topic

Re-read my post.

BobzGames wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

BobzGames wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

don't forget the Terms of Use. This would actually break them.

Then why hasn't the topic been closed by St?

They're human. They take time, and likely didn't notice:

3.1 The Scratch Team supports freedom of expression. However, Scratch is intended for a wide audience, and some content is inappropriate for the Scratch community. You may not use the Scratch service in any way, that:

(1, 2, 3)

4. Contains sexually explicit or graphically violent material;

Za-chary has posted in this topic

JPOWERPUFFGIRLS wrote:

TheToothlessWolf wrote:

JPOWERPUFFGIRLS wrote:

BobzGames wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros2 wrote:

To be frank, this kind of talk should be between your family, not some random guy you hardly know. After all, it is their responsibility to look after you. No one else should be involved in your personal life.

What if you don't feel comfortable talking to your family about this topic? What if they are part of the problem?

If you don't trust your family on something, WHY would you trust STRANGERS that you do not
even know

I agree with @BobzGames here. Sadly, we live in a world where parents are often the people that drive kids to suicide. Strangers aren't always trustworthy, but their opinions can be valid. What if social media is the only place someone is safe to talk about this?

Social Media… safe… do we have the same definition of social media
Your Parents Opinions are much more valid that a stranger's if your parents do things that could drive you to suicide, call the police, don't go chit chatting with strangers on the internet about it

Relatively safe, if your parents are untrustworthy, taking a gamble by trusting strangers may be the only option and has saved lives.
There are some situations where the parents' actions, as devastating as they may be for the kid, actually aren't technically against the law. Kids may have been scared or threatened into not calling the police, and venting could help them a lot.
Also, strangers are just people. There are strangers that you shouldn't trust, but parents are imperfect too, and strangers can completely change your worldview for the better, talking from experience here.

I'm not seeing the counterargument clearly. Is it really that harmful to whitelist a few specific numbers?

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

TheToothlessWolf wrote:

I agree with @BobzGames here. Sadly, we live in a world where parents are often the people that drive kids to suicide. Strangers aren't always trustworthy, but their opinions can be valid. What if social media is the only place someone is safe to talk about this?

Just to be clear, your parents are in charge. If they are responsible for causing another to stumble in their life, they will be held accountable – eventually.

By the way, I think you guys aren't getting my main point yet. Scratch is for all ages. Conversations about murder is unacceptable, like it or not. What stance you take on it is not what others take. It gets very violent, and, even if you don't agree, don't forget the Terms of Use. This would actually break them.

I'd rather save a kid's life than allow them to die under the assumption that justice will get the parent back later.

Yes, violent discussions are not allowed, but plenty of sad, venting studios are fine. The reason? You're not allowed to talk about all the brutal ways you could die by *self-censored*, but you are allowed to ask for support and let others help you through hard times. A suicide prevention hotline provides support.

TheToothlessWolf wrote:

I'd rather save a kid's life than allow them to die under the assumption that justice will get the parent back later.

It's more of a truth I live by than an assumption. Either way, is the Scratch Community the best place to discuss it? At least do it elsewhere. Remember the younger ones and the CGs

Yes, violent discussions are not allowed, but plenty of sad, venting studios are fine. The reason? You're not allowed to talk about all the brutal ways you could die by *self-censored*, but you are allowed to ask for support and let others help you through hard times. A suicide prevention hotline provides support.

It's the word “self-censored” that triggers me. When you hear that the subject o everything is censored by the user who said it, that's always a sign that it is not allowed.

Now, I'm not saying that their lives do not matter. I'm saying, "Isn't there a better place to discuss it than around little children? Talking about feelings that make you want to kill yourself is never a good thing to say near a young kid. Can't there be another place to say it?

I've never seen a simple suggestion spark this much controversy.

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

TheToothlessWolf wrote:

I'd rather save a kid's life than allow them to die under the assumption that justice will get the parent back later.

It's more of a truth I live by than an assumption. Either way, is the Scratch Community the best place to discuss it? At least do it elsewhere. Remember the younger ones and the CGs

Yes, violent discussions are not allowed, but plenty of sad, venting studios are fine. The reason? You're not allowed to talk about all the brutal ways you could die by *self-censored*, but you are allowed to ask for support and let others help you through hard times. A suicide prevention hotline provides support.

It's the word “self-censored” that triggers me. When you hear that the subject o everything is censored by the user who said it, that's always a sign that it is not allowed.

Now, I'm not saying that their lives do not matter. I'm saying, "Isn't there a better place to discuss it than around little children? Talking about feelings that make you want to kill yourself is never a good thing to say near a young kid. Can't there be another place to say it?

I said “self-censored” as an example of what wouldn't be allowed. The purpose of this is to allow people support, the discussions don't have to be inappropriate, and they don't have to dwell on suicide too much. Young kids, namely ones under 13, can have these thoughts too; and Scratch is one of the only open communities to them, so sometimes, there aren't many better places to talk about this.

TheToothlessWolf wrote:

JPOWERPUFFGIRLS wrote:

TheToothlessWolf wrote:

JPOWERPUFFGIRLS wrote:

BobzGames wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros2 wrote:

To be frank, this kind of talk should be between your family, not some random guy you hardly know. After all, it is their responsibility to look after you. No one else should be involved in your personal life.

What if you don't feel comfortable talking to your family about this topic? What if they are part of the problem?

If you don't trust your family on something, WHY would you trust STRANGERS that you do not
even know

I agree with @BobzGames here. Sadly, we live in a world where parents are often the people that drive kids to suicide. Strangers aren't always trustworthy, but their opinions can be valid. What if social media is the only place someone is safe to talk about this?

Social Media… safe… do we have the same definition of social media
Your Parents Opinions are much more valid that a stranger's if your parents do things that could drive you to suicide, call the police, don't go chit chatting with strangers on the internet about it

Relatively safe, if your parents are untrustworthy, taking a gamble by trusting strangers may be the only option and has saved lives.

*cough* The police exist *cough* *cough*

TheToothlessWolf wrote:

There are some situations where the parents' actions, as devastating as they may be for the kid, actually aren't technically against the law.

Examples?

TheToothlessWolf wrote:

Kids may have been scared or threatened into not calling the police, and venting could help them a lot

With Strangers why would you want to trust a Stranger with something as personal as Suicide, if your parents made you not call the police, why would they let you on a device where you can message people possibly the police
Strangers Also, strangers are just people. There are strangers that you shouldn't trust, but parents are imperfect too, and strangers can completely change your worldview for the better, talking from experience here.

Yes, they are just people, people you don't know You can't even see the strangers you are talking to, why would you trust a person you haven't ever met, seenor personally contacted, with something like suicide. You have met, seen and personally contacted, your parents, trusting a stranger here, is practically equal to trusting some random person on the street.

I think suggestion has devolved into a discussion about the trustworthy of strangers.

I see no drawback in just whitelisting a simple phone number. If it can help people, what harm can it do?