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- banana439monkey
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Section 7
Before going further, I'd like to explain the name section 7 (please ask on my profile, not here, to explain how I know this). A section 7 order basically means no contact in the UK. To apply this to Scratch, section 7 would mean to prevent specific people from either commenting on a specific studio or commenting on a specific user and their projects/comments.
Before everyone says “no support, everyone should be allowed to comment wherever they please”, I'd like to clarify a few things. First of all, I'd agree with that, but boundaries have to be set. Second of all, I'm requesting this as a Scratch team-only feature. Only they can use it, and only in cases of legal problems (say, a restraining order) or harassment. The more that the user receiving the section 7 does around the place they were blocked from (i.e. constantly messaging managers of a studio), the easier it is for the ST to section 7 that user from the other user. Section 7s can be appealed to the Scratch team, but depending on the reason it's for, it requires proof of no more restraining orders or solemn promises of no harassment. These can also be retracted (probably by a button on the sectionee's profile and a dropdown with options with studios that sectioner manages or their own profile). Again, these are to be used in severe cases where the person is not leaving another user or studio alone, and everything (including a contact us message with proof of what they have done after tens of comments/cases that the user has been sanctioned) has been done to try to stop them, basically people who do not take sanctions seriously. I'm generally that kid who doesn't really like to see support/no support, rather what can be done to make this better, so I'd like to see some thoughts.
Banana
Before everyone says “no support, everyone should be allowed to comment wherever they please”, I'd like to clarify a few things. First of all, I'd agree with that, but boundaries have to be set. Second of all, I'm requesting this as a Scratch team-only feature. Only they can use it, and only in cases of legal problems (say, a restraining order) or harassment. The more that the user receiving the section 7 does around the place they were blocked from (i.e. constantly messaging managers of a studio), the easier it is for the ST to section 7 that user from the other user. Section 7s can be appealed to the Scratch team, but depending on the reason it's for, it requires proof of no more restraining orders or solemn promises of no harassment. These can also be retracted (probably by a button on the sectionee's profile and a dropdown with options with studios that sectioner manages or their own profile). Again, these are to be used in severe cases where the person is not leaving another user or studio alone, and everything (including a contact us message with proof of what they have done after tens of comments/cases that the user has been sanctioned) has been done to try to stop them, basically people who do not take sanctions seriously. I'm generally that kid who doesn't really like to see support/no support, rather what can be done to make this better, so I'd like to see some thoughts.
Banana
- Maarten_
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100+ posts
Section 7
Oh hi! That's a long paragraph of text. Mind making it divided into sections to make it easier for everyone to read it?
No support.
You can literally report people for this, so I find this highly unnecessary to be added.
If you do not want people to comment in studios you can disable that.
No support.
You can literally report people for this, so I find this highly unnecessary to be added.
If you do not want people to comment in studios you can disable that.
- banana439monkey
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1000+ posts
Section 7
Oh hi! That's a long paragraph of text. Mind making it divided into sections to make it easier for everyone to read it?We can report, but the user isn't taking any alerts seriously. None of the managers own the studio, and the original owner is inactive.
No support.
You can literally report people for this, so I find this highly unnecessary to be added.
If you do not want people to comment in studios you can disable that.
Banana
Last edited by banana439monkey (Jan. 14, 2020 19:49:01)
- Maarten_
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100+ posts
Section 7
Oh hi! That's a long paragraph of text. Mind making it divided into sections to make it easier for everyone to read it?We can report, but the user isn't taking any alerts seriously. None of the managers own the studio, and the original owner is inactive.
No support.
You can literally report people for this, so I find this highly unnecessary to be added.
If you do not want people to comment in studios you can disable that.
Banana
Well if they don't listen their account may be terminated.
- banana439monkey
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1000+ posts
Section 7
They've not even taken blocks seriously, so I have my doubts. The ST are starting to say things like “they have every right to post”. Whilst that is true to an extent, they're still harassing us, and there's nothing more being done.Oh hi! That's a long paragraph of text. Mind making it divided into sections to make it easier for everyone to read it?We can report, but the user isn't taking any alerts seriously. None of the managers own the studio, and the original owner is inactive.
No support.
You can literally report people for this, so I find this highly unnecessary to be added.
If you do not want people to comment in studios you can disable that.
Banana
Well if they don't listen their account may be terminated.
Banana
- Maarten_
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100+ posts
Section 7
They've not even taken blocks seriously, so I have my doubts. The ST are starting to say things like “they have every right to post”. Whilst that is true to an extent, they're still harassing us, and there's nothing more being done.Oh hi! That's a long paragraph of text. Mind making it divided into sections to make it easier for everyone to read it?We can report, but the user isn't taking any alerts seriously. None of the managers own the studio, and the original owner is inactive.
No support.
You can literally report people for this, so I find this highly unnecessary to be added.
If you do not want people to comment in studios you can disable that.
Banana
Well if they don't listen their account may be terminated.
Banana
Harassing still counts as an offence as mentioned in the TOS(1) at section 3.1.2.
I cannot help you further; and these things happen rarely, meaning the suggestion would most likely not be used at all.
Mind dividing your original post into sections for readability?
- venyanwarrior
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1000+ posts
Section 7
They've not even taken blocks seriously, so I have my doubts. The ST are starting to say things like “they have every right to post”. Whilst that is true to an extent, they're still harassing us, and there's nothing more being done. -snip-
Banana
Based on this, I support.
I think that a way to deal with harassment like this would be a great addition, as harassment really sucks, and it's never-ending.
- --Explosion--
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1000+ posts
Section 7
This sounds a lot like blocking people, which was a feature in scratch 1.x, but it was removed because it buried the problem rather then solving it, the ST now advise people to just report anything innapropriate.
- banana439monkey
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1000+ posts
Section 7
TOS(1) at section 3.1.2.They seem to exist, though. However, my OP is usually the way I write things; quick and dirty. Harassing still counts as an offence as mentioned in the
I cannot help you further; and these things happen rarely, meaning the suggestion would most likely not be used at all.
Mind dividing your original post into sections for readability?
They've not even taken blocks seriously, so I have my doubts. The ST are starting to say things like “they have every right to post”. Whilst that is true to an extent, they're still harassing us, and there's nothing more being done. -snip-
Banana^They've not even taken blocks seriously, so I have my doubts. The ST are starting to say things like “they have every right to post”. Whilst that is true to an extent, they're still harassing us, and there's nothing more being done. -snip-
Banana
Based on this, I support.
I think that a way to deal with harassment like this would be a great addition, as harassment really sucks, and it's never-ending.Yes, but no. This is basically an ST-only feature to be used as a last resort. This sounds a lot like blocking people, which was a feature in scratch 1.x, but it was removed because it buried the problem rather then solving it, the ST now advise people to just report anything innapropriate.
Banana
- scratchinghead
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1000+ posts
Section 7
Support, my friend 
I can see how it could be useful in the future. The Scratch website is only going to be larger with more active accounts, and we need a way to stop spam and harassment
To those who said no support… Let's say if we don't implement this, and just report them to the moderators. What will happen? Of course, the moderators will just do their job sending alerts to those users and deleting their comments. But what about other people's reports? Doing these kinds of stuff is just wasting their time. We need moderation for those who have to communicate directly with the Scratch Team and not those who spam multiple times every day.

I can see how it could be useful in the future. The Scratch website is only going to be larger with more active accounts, and we need a way to stop spam and harassment

To those who said no support… Let's say if we don't implement this, and just report them to the moderators. What will happen? Of course, the moderators will just do their job sending alerts to those users and deleting their comments. But what about other people's reports? Doing these kinds of stuff is just wasting their time. We need moderation for those who have to communicate directly with the Scratch Team and not those who spam multiple times every day.
- minor-edit
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500+ posts
Section 7
No support. Just report spam, harassment, etc to Scratch Team.
- banana439monkey
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1000+ posts
Section 7
And if this doesn't stop the problem? What happens then? No support. Just report spam, harassment, etc to Scratch Team.
Banana
- Computer_Fizz
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100+ posts
Section 7
For when the scratch team doesn't solve the problem, add a feature that can only be used by the scratch teamAnd if this doesn't stop the problem? What happens then? No support. Just report spam, harassment, etc to Scratch Team.
Banana
- Fupicat
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1000+ posts
Section 7
How is blocking people from commenting gonna stop the problem? How is the blocking gonna happen, by account? By IP? All of these are easily by-passable by someone who really wants to cause havoc.And if this doesn't stop the problem? What happens then? No support. Just report spam, harassment, etc to Scratch Team.
Banana
- banana439monkey
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1000+ posts
Section 7
I mean, it prevents studio and profile harassment. It happens by account and IP, like the full-on blocking system.How is blocking people from commenting gonna stop the problem? How is the blocking gonna happen, by account? By IP? All of these are easily by-passable by someone who really wants to cause havoc.And if this doesn't stop the problem? What happens then? No support. Just report spam, harassment, etc to Scratch Team.
Banana
Banana
- Fupicat
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1000+ posts
Section 7
Then what's the advantage to just full-on blocking? People would just be able to make a new account/reset their IP anyway, as they would do if they were blocked.I mean, it prevents studio and profile harassment. It happens by account and IP, like the full-on blocking system. -aa-
Banana
- banana439monkey
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1000+ posts
Section 7
We can say the same about account blocks.Then what's the advantage to just full-on blocking? People would just be able to make a new account/reset their IP anyway, as they would do if they were blocked.I mean, it prevents studio and profile harassment. It happens by account and IP, like the full-on blocking system. -aa-
Banana
Banana
EDIT: IPV6 is static, fyi, but it's on a network-card-by-network-card basis.
EDIT 2: There is no advantage, this is for things even a block can't handle, like when a user isn't taking notice to any sanction whatsoever?
Last edited by banana439monkey (Jan. 18, 2020 15:51:07)
- Fupicat
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1000+ posts
Section 7
And that's my point. There is no advantage, this wouldn't handle what a block doesn't handle because it blocks the user in the same way, it has all the problems normal blocking has and ultimately wouldn't solve anything.We can say the same about account blocks.Then what's the advantage to just full-on blocking? People would just be able to make a new account/reset their IP anyway, as they would do if they were blocked.I mean, it prevents studio and profile harassment. It happens by account and IP, like the full-on blocking system. -aa-
Banana
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