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banana439monkey
Scratcher
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Section 7

Before going further, I'd like to explain the name section 7 (please ask on my profile, not here, to explain how I know this). A section 7 order basically means no contact in the UK. To apply this to Scratch, section 7 would mean to prevent specific people from either commenting on a specific studio or commenting on a specific user and their projects/comments.

Before everyone says “no support, everyone should be allowed to comment wherever they please”, I'd like to clarify a few things. First of all, I'd agree with that, but boundaries have to be set. Second of all, I'm requesting this as a Scratch team-only feature. Only they can use it, and only in cases of legal problems (say, a restraining order) or harassment. The more that the user receiving the section 7 does around the place they were blocked from (i.e. constantly messaging managers of a studio), the easier it is for the ST to section 7 that user from the other user. Section 7s can be appealed to the Scratch team, but depending on the reason it's for, it requires proof of no more restraining orders or solemn promises of no harassment. These can also be retracted (probably by a button on the sectionee's profile and a dropdown with options with studios that sectioner manages or their own profile). Again, these are to be used in severe cases where the person is not leaving another user or studio alone, and everything (including a contact us message with proof of what they have done after tens of comments/cases that the user has been sanctioned) has been done to try to stop them, basically people who do not take sanctions seriously. I'm generally that kid who doesn't really like to see support/no support, rather what can be done to make this better, so I'd like to see some thoughts.

Banana
Maarten_
Scratcher
100+ posts

Section 7

Oh hi! That's a long paragraph of text. Mind making it divided into sections to make it easier for everyone to read it?

No support.

You can literally report people for this, so I find this highly unnecessary to be added.
If you do not want people to comment in studios you can disable that.

banana439monkey
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Section 7

Maarten_ wrote:

Oh hi! That's a long paragraph of text. Mind making it divided into sections to make it easier for everyone to read it?

No support.

You can literally report people for this, so I find this highly unnecessary to be added.
If you do not want people to comment in studios you can disable that.

We can report, but the user isn't taking any alerts seriously. None of the managers own the studio, and the original owner is inactive.

Banana

Last edited by banana439monkey (Jan. 14, 2020 19:49:01)

Maarten_
Scratcher
100+ posts

Section 7

banana439monkey wrote:

Maarten_ wrote:

Oh hi! That's a long paragraph of text. Mind making it divided into sections to make it easier for everyone to read it?

No support.

You can literally report people for this, so I find this highly unnecessary to be added.
If you do not want people to comment in studios you can disable that.

We can report, but the user isn't taking any alerts seriously. None of the managers own the studio, and the original owner is inactive.

Banana

Well if they don't listen their account may be terminated.
banana439monkey
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Section 7

Maarten_ wrote:

banana439monkey wrote:

Maarten_ wrote:

Oh hi! That's a long paragraph of text. Mind making it divided into sections to make it easier for everyone to read it?

No support.

You can literally report people for this, so I find this highly unnecessary to be added.
If you do not want people to comment in studios you can disable that.

We can report, but the user isn't taking any alerts seriously. None of the managers own the studio, and the original owner is inactive.

Banana

Well if they don't listen their account may be terminated.
They've not even taken blocks seriously, so I have my doubts. The ST are starting to say things like “they have every right to post”. Whilst that is true to an extent, they're still harassing us, and there's nothing more being done.

Banana
Maarten_
Scratcher
100+ posts

Section 7

banana439monkey wrote:

Maarten_ wrote:

banana439monkey wrote:

Maarten_ wrote:

Oh hi! That's a long paragraph of text. Mind making it divided into sections to make it easier for everyone to read it?

No support.

You can literally report people for this, so I find this highly unnecessary to be added.
If you do not want people to comment in studios you can disable that.

We can report, but the user isn't taking any alerts seriously. None of the managers own the studio, and the original owner is inactive.

Banana

Well if they don't listen their account may be terminated.
They've not even taken blocks seriously, so I have my doubts. The ST are starting to say things like “they have every right to post”. Whilst that is true to an extent, they're still harassing us, and there's nothing more being done.

Banana

Harassing still counts as an offence as mentioned in the TOS(1) at section 3.1.2.
I cannot help you further; and these things happen rarely, meaning the suggestion would most likely not be used at all.

Mind dividing your original post into sections for readability?
venyanwarrior
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Section 7

banana439monkey wrote:

Maarten_ wrote:

-snip-
They've not even taken blocks seriously, so I have my doubts. The ST are starting to say things like “they have every right to post”. Whilst that is true to an extent, they're still harassing us, and there's nothing more being done.

Banana

Based on this, I support.

I think that a way to deal with harassment like this would be a great addition, as harassment really sucks, and it's never-ending.
--Explosion--
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Section 7

This sounds a lot like blocking people, which was a feature in scratch 1.x, but it was removed because it buried the problem rather then solving it, the ST now advise people to just report anything innapropriate.
banana439monkey
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Section 7

Maarten_ wrote:

Harassing still counts as an offence as mentioned in the TOS(1) at section 3.1.2.
I cannot help you further; and these things happen rarely, meaning the suggestion would most likely not be used at all.

Mind dividing your original post into sections for readability?
They seem to exist, though. However, my OP is usually the way I write things; quick and dirty.

venyanwarrior wrote:

banana439monkey wrote:

Maarten_ wrote:

-snip-
They've not even taken blocks seriously, so I have my doubts. The ST are starting to say things like “they have every right to post”. Whilst that is true to an extent, they're still harassing us, and there's nothing more being done.

Banana

venyanwarrior wrote:

banana439monkey wrote:

Maarten_ wrote:

-snip-
They've not even taken blocks seriously, so I have my doubts. The ST are starting to say things like “they have every right to post”. Whilst that is true to an extent, they're still harassing us, and there's nothing more being done.

Banana

Based on this, I support.

I think that a way to deal with harassment like this would be a great addition, as harassment really sucks, and it's never-ending.
^

--Explosion-- wrote:

This sounds a lot like blocking people, which was a feature in scratch 1.x, but it was removed because it buried the problem rather then solving it, the ST now advise people to just report anything innapropriate.
Yes, but no. This is basically an ST-only feature to be used as a last resort.

Banana
banana439monkey
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Section 7

bump

Banana
banana439monkey
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Section 7

boomp

Banana
scratchinghead
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Section 7

Support, my friend

I can see how it could be useful in the future. The Scratch website is only going to be larger with more active accounts, and we need a way to stop spam and harassment

To those who said no support… Let's say if we don't implement this, and just report them to the moderators. What will happen? Of course, the moderators will just do their job sending alerts to those users and deleting their comments. But what about other people's reports? Doing these kinds of stuff is just wasting their time. We need moderation for those who have to communicate directly with the Scratch Team and not those who spam multiple times every day.
minor-edit
Scratcher
500+ posts

Section 7

No support. Just report spam, harassment, etc to Scratch Team.
banana439monkey
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Section 7

minor-edit wrote:

No support. Just report spam, harassment, etc to Scratch Team.
And if this doesn't stop the problem? What happens then?

Banana
Computer_Fizz
Scratcher
100+ posts

Section 7

banana439monkey wrote:

minor-edit wrote:

No support. Just report spam, harassment, etc to Scratch Team.
And if this doesn't stop the problem? What happens then?

Banana
For when the scratch team doesn't solve the problem, add a feature that can only be used by the scratch team
Fupicat
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Section 7

banana439monkey wrote:

minor-edit wrote:

No support. Just report spam, harassment, etc to Scratch Team.
And if this doesn't stop the problem? What happens then?

Banana
How is blocking people from commenting gonna stop the problem? How is the blocking gonna happen, by account? By IP? All of these are easily by-passable by someone who really wants to cause havoc.
banana439monkey
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Section 7

Fupicat wrote:

banana439monkey wrote:

minor-edit wrote:

No support. Just report spam, harassment, etc to Scratch Team.
And if this doesn't stop the problem? What happens then?

Banana
How is blocking people from commenting gonna stop the problem? How is the blocking gonna happen, by account? By IP? All of these are easily by-passable by someone who really wants to cause havoc.
I mean, it prevents studio and profile harassment. It happens by account and IP, like the full-on blocking system.

Banana
Fupicat
Scratcher
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Section 7

banana439monkey wrote:

Fupicat wrote:

-aa-
I mean, it prevents studio and profile harassment. It happens by account and IP, like the full-on blocking system.

Banana
Then what's the advantage to just full-on blocking? People would just be able to make a new account/reset their IP anyway, as they would do if they were blocked.
banana439monkey
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Section 7

Fupicat wrote:

banana439monkey wrote:

Fupicat wrote:

-aa-
I mean, it prevents studio and profile harassment. It happens by account and IP, like the full-on blocking system.

Banana
Then what's the advantage to just full-on blocking? People would just be able to make a new account/reset their IP anyway, as they would do if they were blocked.
We can say the same about account blocks.

Banana

EDIT: IPV6 is static, fyi, but it's on a network-card-by-network-card basis.

EDIT 2: There is no advantage, this is for things even a block can't handle, like when a user isn't taking notice to any sanction whatsoever?

Last edited by banana439monkey (Jan. 18, 2020 15:51:07)

Fupicat
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Section 7

banana439monkey wrote:

Fupicat wrote:

banana439monkey wrote:

Fupicat wrote:

-aa-
I mean, it prevents studio and profile harassment. It happens by account and IP, like the full-on blocking system.

Banana
Then what's the advantage to just full-on blocking? People would just be able to make a new account/reset their IP anyway, as they would do if they were blocked.
We can say the same about account blocks.
And that's my point. There is no advantage, this wouldn't handle what a block doesn't handle because it blocks the user in the same way, it has all the problems normal blocking has and ultimately wouldn't solve anything.

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