Support. I also agree with @joshuaho that if someone reports an acceptable comment, they should be banned for a few hours.

jvvg wrote:

MrKyurem wrote:

No support. Too easy for abuse.

That's what I thought when it was first implemented on the old website, but as far as I know, it never caused a single invalid ban in the several months it was there. The reason somebody can't just create 3 alt accounts is that they all have to be of Scratcher status.

Also, this is already a planned feature. I am just emphasizing that it should be higher priority.

So, instead of one person being a bully, this promotes people to gang up on one person.

This could be one of the worst things that can happen to the ban system, in my opinion, to the point of if it gets added, I'll stop posting anywhere and remove all of my comments that I can remove, along with any comments on my profile and project. It's too risky.

MrKyurem wrote:

jvvg wrote:

MrKyurem wrote:

No support. Too easy for abuse.

That's what I thought when it was first implemented on the old website, but as far as I know, it never caused a single invalid ban in the several months it was there. The reason somebody can't just create 3 alt accounts is that they all have to be of Scratcher status.

Also, this is already a planned feature. I am just emphasizing that it should be higher priority.

So, instead of one person being a bully, this promotes people to gang up on one person.

This could be one of the worst things that can happen to the ban system, in my opinion, to the point of if it gets added, I'll stop posting anywhere and remove all of my comments that I can remove, along with any comments on my profile and project. It's too risky.

We already had that in 1.4. If those “gangs” do show up, they'll probably get banned for fake reports.

I bumped it to high-priority on the bugtracker, we'll see what happens.

It worked great on the old site. People who try to abuse it get in trouble themselves.

I definitely support. Maybe hide the post until the ST sees it tho. I just saw spam in the advanced topics from a new scratcher (joined 34 min ago) so I asked what they needed help with and did not report it.

Partial support.

= HIDE the post until a moderator sees it and either approves it or deems it incriminating. If declared bad, then the moderator can ban the user. (My suggestion) I say this because any 4 idiots could go around and report random posts together.

Photoguy77 wrote:

I definitely support. Maybe hide the post until the ST sees it tho. I just saw spam in the advanced topics from a new scratcher (joined 34 min ago) so I asked what they needed help with and did not report it.

That's what the autoban does. It hides the post and temporarily bans the poster.

jvvg wrote:

I just saw another spammer post 3 topics in a row. If this were implemented, it would probably have been stopped after the first one. This is creating more work for everybody.

At least they didn't spam the forums like the spam bots did in my story on post #14. But 3 spam topics is already bad enough….

I just hope that spambots aren't made that go around reporting everyone. I guess that would have to be pretty site-specific. What if there were restrictions on 4-report autoban for new scratchers?

AonymousGuy wrote:

I just hope that spambots aren't made that go around reporting everyone. I guess that would have to be pretty site-specific. What if there were restrictions on 4-report autoban for new scratchers?

The way it worked on the old site is that for a report to count towards the autoban, it has to be made by a Scratcher. New Scratchers can still report, but their reports don't count towards the 4 necessary for an autoban.

jontmy00 wrote:

Semi-support. Auto-ban may not be a good idea with what AmayaCreates has mentioned, so I think a temporary 2 hour block from the forums and comments would be better?

Support the 2 hour ban; and if a mod. looked into it would be nice too. k9lego.

Now that I think about it, support.

Just don't tempban the user until 6-7 reports have gotten onto the post.

1234abcdcba4321 wrote:

Now that I think about it, support.

Just don't tempban the user until 6-7 reports have gotten onto the post.

Agreed, support that too. k9lego.

I wonder if they have a “Reports” leaderboard? One where the most reported people are so they can ban them?

1234abcdcba4321 wrote:

Now that I think about it, support.

Just don't tempban the user until 6-7 reports have gotten onto the post.

It worked fine with 4 on the old site. Getting 6 would take too long, I think.

NoxSpooth wrote:

MrKyurem wrote:

jvvg wrote:

MrKyurem wrote:

No support. Too easy for abuse.

That's what I thought when it was first implemented on the old website, but as far as I know, it never caused a single invalid ban in the several months it was there. The reason somebody can't just create 3 alt accounts is that they all have to be of Scratcher status.

Also, this is already a planned feature. I am just emphasizing that it should be higher priority.

So, instead of one person being a bully, this promotes people to gang up on one person.

This could be one of the worst things that can happen to the ban system, in my opinion, to the point of if it gets added, I'll stop posting anywhere and remove all of my comments that I can remove, along with any comments on my profile and project. It's too risky.

We already had that in 1.4. If those “gangs” do show up, they'll probably get banned for fake reports.

But these gangs will show up, and now they can abuse reports, they're a lot more powerful than before. At the moment, they can't do anything to anyone, they'll just be banned. If this is implimented, that means that they can actually ban people before being banned themselves.

It's like giving everyone a pseudo-mod status. You're assuming that nobody will abuse it.

MrKyurem wrote:

It's like giving everyone a pseudo-mod status. You're assuming that nobody will abuse it.

… Well, this isn't really a suggestion, since it's already planned… I'm not assuming that nobody will abuse it, I'm just saying it rarely happened when we had this feature.

NoxSpooth wrote:

MrKyurem wrote:

It's like giving everyone a pseudo-mod status. You're assuming that nobody will abuse it.

… Well, this isn't really a suggestion, since it's already planned… I'm not assuming that nobody will abuse it, I'm just saying it rarely happened when we had this feature.

Actually, it never happened. I basically patrolled new posts on the 1.4 forums, and whenever one was autobanned, it was always commercial spam.

I should also tell the story of how this came about.
A very long time ago, a bunch of users registered on the forums and posted a bunch of inappropriate images and left. The Scratch Team deleted the images, but also needed to figure out a way to keep it from happening again. In the meantime, they disabled images on the forums for what I believe was only a few days. They then came up with the New Scratcher status.
A couple years later, the same thing happened, except that it was old users who were mad at Scratch. They posted inappropriate images all over the forums. By “all over”, I mean a few accounts were posting images everywhere and this went on for a long time, leading to a lot of posts by only a few accounts. The Scratch Team disabled images for several months while they came up with further changes needed to prevent this. They came up with two ideas: the image host restriction (a member of the Scratch Team said that the images were hosted on shock sites, not common image hosts) and the 4 reports autoban, so if this happened again, the user would be stopped much more quickly, since the attacks were coming from only a few accounts.

The forums were never trolled with inappropriate images after that, but there was recurring commercial spam that became an increasingly serious issue, and whenever a commercial spammer posted on those forums, I never counted one making more than two posts before being autobanned. On these forums, I recently saw one make three posts, and I've seen as many as eight from one user.

In a nutshell, keep in mind these things:
-If a user decides to troll the forums, they can be stopped much more quickly; the user can be stopped after only one or two posts as opposed to much higher numbers, which can be over 100 if it's really bad
-The reporting accounts must be of Scratcher status to count
-It's reasonably difficult to get 4 fake reports from Scratcher accounts before the Scratch Team can process the reports, but it is not too difficult to get 4 real reports
-The autobans are temporary (2 hours probably is good enough)

You're assuming that the reason why there's never been any similar offense again is because of this autoban, yet it's only ever happened twice, and the autoban hasn't been a long-term thing. It isn't happening now, is it? All we need is a New-Scratcher filter, to stop them from saying certain words before being a scratcher, thus cleaning up the only clear problem you're trying to remove.

It's more than possible for these gangs to show up, and if this new 4 ban happens, I think it will lead to collaborations being banned - they're almost a perfect host for this bullying. Someone doesn't like the collab? Team up on them. Got criticism you didn't like? Ban them. And DON'T get me started on what will happen if a famous scratcher states that they don't like AE studios or something else…



We don't live in a sanctuary. You're disregarding every single problem with it pretending it doesn't exist.