SausageMcSauce wrote:

The ASCII Art sign breaks on the device I am posting this with, so maybe the ASCII art could be replaced with an image?

JPOWERPUFFGIRLS wrote:

Reported to be stickied

JPOWERPUFFGIRLS wrote:

Reported to be stickied

Wyan100 wrote:

I would request this to be stickied but I don't know how or whether I have the power to do so.

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

JPOWERPUFFGIRLS wrote:

Reported to be stickied

Thanks – but that won't happen. I already discussed it with Paddle. My topic is now linked inside the Guide to the Suggestions Forum. Paddle said it “could fit in one of the pre-existing stickies”.

Thank you for your cooperation, though. I'm glad you think this is good enough to get stickied

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

SausageMcSauce wrote:

The ASCII Art sign breaks on the device I am posting this with, so maybe the ASCII art could be replaced with an image?

If you or someone else could supply the image, that would be great. My image hosting service doesn't work well in this device.

64lu wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

SausageMcSauce wrote:

The ASCII Art sign breaks on the device I am posting this with, so maybe the ASCII art could be replaced with an image?

If you or someone else could supply the image, that would be great. My image hosting service doesn't work well in this device.

while this may be unoriginal, here:

just put it in a center tag
yes I know it's on cubeupload but I'm too lazy to get it on a project thumbnail now

panda-wat wrote:

This should be a sticky!

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

I have added a new note clearly mentioning that this won't be a sticky, as well as cleaning up the notes quite a bit. Thank you for your support of stickying it, though! As for right now, I think linking it in a sticky is effective enough.

Note: Please do not suggest things here! This topic is not a list of suggestions. It is an informational topic that tells you why they aren't allowed.

Note 2: Thanks for the many, many “reporting to be stickied” reports; thinking my topic is good enough to be a sticky really makes me feel great! However, I have to inform you that such a topic is rejected (read the comments). Ultimately, it was linked to in one of the stickies, which also helps greatly.

—–GENERAL INFORMATION—–

I've seen users making lists of suggestions. Unfortunately, there is no place that explicitly says that you can't have lists of suggestions. I've created this topic to provide information on this.

Lists of suggestions are not allowed. The reason why is so each topic is focused on one suggestion, not so many. Lists tend to centralise around one suggestion. Also, if one suggestion is rejected/duplicate and one isn't, would you close it, or not? The only solution is for a Scratch Team member to fix it, which isn't a thing they can do on a regular basis, though some members use the forums regularly.

Your suggestion will not be implemented if it is in a list. Instead, try putting one suggestion in each topic!

if you see someone break the rules on lists of suggestions, feel free to link this topic. This will be extremely valuable in receiving information on why it is prohibited and will prevent the user making more lists of suggestions. Thanks!

—-Q/A—–

This is to clarify confusion on different forms of lists. If someone is breaking the rules with lists, feel free to quote a part of this if you wish. This would be greatly appreciated.

If you have any thoughts on more questions, better grammar, outdated references, or mistakes, please inform me. It's constructive feedback that enhances greatness!

TABLE OF CONTENTS

1. CLOSELY RELATED SUGGESTIONS

1.1 What if the suggestions are closely related?
1.2 What would count as “closely related” suggestions?
1.3 What if I made a list of suggestions for Scratch 4.0? They're all for Scratch 4.0, so they're similar!

2. ACCEPTABLE LIST TOPICS

2.1 What about the Suggestions Directory? Why is it allowed?
2.2 What about The Official List of Rejected Suggestions? Why is it allowed?
2.3 What about Sigton's Constructive Recommendations On How to Respond to and Make Suggestions! Why is it allowed?
2.4 What about Scratch Design Goals? Why is it allowed?

3. OTHER LISTS

3.1 Are topics to give ideas for suggestions allowed?
3.2 What if I make a topic that allows users to make their own suggestions?
3.3 What if I made a list of suggestions to NOT add?

4. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

4.1 I still don't get it.

1.1 What if the suggestions are closely related?

If the suggestions in the list are closely related, you can make a list. That's because it can't centralise around one suggestion if they're all similar. They fit so well together that they can't function alone. For example, you could make a

stop timer ::sensing

and

start timer ::sensing

in one topic.

(That's just an example. Don't actually make that suggestion; it would be a duplicate topic!)

1.2 What would count as “closely related” suggestions?

pause project ::control

resume project ::control

Those are so closely alike that they go together.

“Changing usernames”
“Snip inactive usernames”

Those don't exactly go together like the above list of suggestions. The first two couldn't function without each other. The last two are both about usernames, but are different enough to warrant their own topics.

Imagine if users made lists of suggestions, saying they're “for Scratch, so they're similar”. Don't you are where it breaks down at that point?

(Those are just examples. The first two are duplicates, and the last two are rejected, so please don't suggest them!)

1.3 What if I made a list of suggestions for Scratch 4.0? They're all for Scratch 4.0, so they're similar!

Not exactly. Any suggestions as of now will be a part of 3.0. But, the update that they are in will not make them similar. It's what's in the updates that counts! Regardless of what update they're in, if the suggestions don't seem to go together, then the topic will be closed.

Also, it may be good to note that Scratch 4.0 won't be out for a long time. The reason Scratch 3.0 came out was to work around the closure of Adobe Flash Player this December. Unless HTML5 closes soon, there won't be a Scratch 4.0 in the foreseeable future. The Scratch Team is still working on 3.0 and had not even thought about a Scratch 4.0 yet.

2.1 What about the Suggestions Directory? Why is it allowed?

The Suggestions Directory isn't a list of topics for the Scratch Team to implement; it is a list of topics so that you can look to see whether your topic is a duplicate. It is not the “list of suggestions” that I am referring to. It is useful to help users find original topics.

(Don't create your own Suggestions Directory, though, as you would be creating a duplicate of that topic!)

Note: This includes a directory for any kind of topic, whether you have a lot, or even just one. @LegoManiac04 has decided to take that responsibility instead.

2.2 What about The Official List of Rejected Suggestions? Why is it allowed?

That topic exists to check to see if your suggestion has been previously rejected, and so that you can cite a clear reason why a suggestion is rejected in case it gets resuggested. It is not a list of suggestions to implement. By definition, it is literally the opposite.

(Don't create your own list of rejected suggestions, though, as you would be creating a duplicate of that topic!)

2.3 What about Sigton's Constructive Recommendations On How to Respond to and Make Suggestions! Why is it allowed?

That's not a list of suggestions for the Scratch Team to implement. That is a set of recommendations to the users who use the Suggestions forums. That is a different type of suggestion, and it's come in much help in the past and present.

(Don't create your own recommendations topic, though, as you would be creating a duplicate of that topic!)

2.4 What about Scratch Design Goals? Why is it allowed?

That's not a list of suggestions for the Scratch Team to implement. That is a list of ways to make suggestions and to give feedback about those suggestions. This topic is very interesting and useful, despite its age. Plus, the creator of the topic was a Scratch Team member at the time, so to say it is not allowed is inaccurate.

(Don't create your own design goals topic, though, as you would be creating a duplicate of that topic!)

3.1 Are topics to give ideas for suggestions allowed?

No. Each suggestion should be your own, original idea. If you have a good idea on how to improve Scratch, then suggest it, rather than making a topic with example suggestion ideas.

3.2 What if I make a topic that allows users to make their own suggestions?

That's the entire purpose of the Suggestions forums, where you make your own suggestions. There is no need to duplicate the forum in any way.

Plus, your suggestion will get more attention in its own topic, rather than it being in another one, and it will be more likely to be implemented by the Scratch Team in the process due to more attention.

3.3 What if I made a list of suggestions to NOT add?

A suggestion, by definition, is an idea or plan put forward for consideration, not to bring down and destroy. You should not make topics to criticize other suggestions. As said very straightforwardly here, the Suggestions Forums are about giving suggestions, and not “anti-suggestions”.

Instead of focusing on the negativity of a topic, try focusing on how to make it better. Explaining politely the downsides and trying to fix it in a constructive way is a great way to use the Suggestions Forums.

4.1 I still don't get it.

Lists of suggestions add further confusion on who's talking about what suggestion. If one of the suggestions gets rejected, and the mods point that out, but the user is too inactive to fix it, and users just continue on in the conversation, what then?

Technically, yes, the Scratch Team could just edit the posts. Now, this is where the confusion begins. So many suggestions… Some are rejected, some are dupes that people can't find the link to, some might be duplicated but are ambiguous in definition… What now?

Please make sure you keep each suggestion on their own topic so it stays focused on one suggestion.

======CREDITS======

Thanks to The Rain or Shine Art Shop for the banner!

Thanks to @Paddle2See* and @swiftrush into the inspiration of adding this to the Guide to the Suggestions Forums!

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also I made a possible new banner, you don't have to use it though;

garnetluvcookie wrote:

warning: post long, i have modified this to improve

garnetluvcookie wrote:

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

1. RELATED SUGGESTIONS

1.1 What if the suggestions are related?
1.2 What would count as “related” suggestions?
1.3 What if I made a list of suggestions for Scratch 4.0? They're all for Scratch 4.0, so they're similar!
1.4 What if I made a topic that allows users to discuss one problem to find a solution? They're all solving one problem, so they're similar!

2. ACCEPTABLE LIST TOPICS

2.1 What about the Suggestions Directory? Why is it allowed?
2.2 What about The Official List of Rejected Suggestions? Why is it allowed?
2.3 What about Sigton's Constructive Recommendations On How to Respond to and Make Suggestions! Why is it allowed?
2.4 What about Scratch Design Goals? Why is it allowed?topic
2.5 What about Helpful Workarounds to Frequently Suggested Blocks? Why is it allowed?

3. OTHER LISTS

3.1 Are topics to give ideas for suggestions allowed?
3.2 What if I make a topic that allows users to make their own suggestions?
3.3 What if I made a list of suggestions to NOT add?
3.4 What if I make a list of suggestions not for the Scratch Team, but for Scratchers?

4. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

4.1 I still don't get it.
4.2 How do I make a good list?

1.1 What if the suggestions are closely related?

If the suggestions in the list are related, you can make a list. That's because it can't centralize around one suggestion if they're all similar. They fit so well together that they can't function alone. For example, you could make a

stop timer ::sensing

and

start timer ::sensing

in one topic.

(That's just an example. Don't actually make that suggestion; it would be a duplicate topic!)

1.2 What would count as “related” suggestions?

pause project ::control

resume project ::control

Those are so closely alike that they go together.

“Changing usernames”
“Snip inactive usernames”

Those don't exactly go together like the above list of suggestions. The first two couldn't function without each other. The last two are both about usernames, but are very different enough to warrant their own topics.

Imagine if users made lists of suggestions, saying they're “for Scratch, so they're similar”. Don't you are where it breaks down at that point?

(Those are just examples. The first two are duplicates, and the last two are rejected, so please don't suggest them!)

1.3 What if I made a list of suggestions for Scratch 4.0? They're all for Scratch 4.0, so they're similar!

Not exactly. Any suggestions as of now will be a part of 3.0. But, the update that they are in will not make them similar. It's what's in the updates that counts! Regardless of what update they're in, if the suggestions don't seem to go together, then the topic will be closed.

Also, it may be good to note that Scratch 4.0 probably won't be out for a long time. The reason Scratch 3.0 came out was to work around the closure of Adobe Flash Player this December. Unless HTML5 closes soon, there won't be a Scratch 4.0 in the foreseeable future. The Scratch Team is still working on 3.0 and had not even thought about a Scratch 4.0 yet.

1.4 What if I made a topic that allows users to discuss one problem to find a solution? They're all solving one problem, so they're similar!

Evidently, every suggestion is solving one problem: bringing Scratch to its full potential. This does not make it similar.

Plus, each topic should warrant its own suggestion. If another user has a suggestion, he/she/they should suggest it on a separate topic, so it stays organized, and the Scratch Team is more likely to notice the suggestion.

2.1 What about the Suggestions Directory? Why is it allowed?

The Suggestions Directory isn't a list of topics for the Scratch Team to implement; it is a list of topics so that you can look to see whether your topic is a duplicate. It is not the “list of suggestions” that I am referring to. It is useful to help users find original topics.

(Don't create your own Suggestions Directory, though, as you would be creating a duplicate of that topic!)

Note: This includes a directory for any kind of topic, whether you have a lot, or even just one.

2.2 What about The Official List of Rejected Suggestions? Why is it allowed?

That topic exists to check to see if your suggestion has been previously rejected, and so that you can cite a clear reason why a topic is rejected in case it gets suggested. It is not a list of suggestions to implement. By definition, it is literally the opposite.

(Don't create your own list of rejected suggestions, though, as you would be creating a duplicate of that topic!)

2.3 What about Sigton's Constructive Recommendations On How to Respond to and Make Suggestions! Why is it allowed?

That's not a list of suggestions for the Scratch Team to implement. That is a set of recommendations to the users who use the Suggestions forums. That is a different type of suggestion, and it's come in much help in the past and present.

(Don't create your own recommendations topic, though, as you would be creating a duplicate of that topic!)

2.4 What about Scratch Design Goals? Why is it allowed?

That's not a list of suggestions for the Scratch Team to implement. That is a list of ways to make suggestions and to give feedback about those suggestions. This topic is very interesting and useful, despite its age. Plus, the creator of the topic was a Scratch Team member at the time, so to say it is not allowed is inaccurate.

(Don't create your own design goals topic, though, as you would be creating a duplicate of that topic!)

2.5 What about the Helpful Workarounds to Frequently Suggested Blocks? Why is it allowed?

Over the course of years, users have suggested the same block suggestions over and over. Out of care and concern, a user shared helpful workarounds to use in the meantime. It's not a suggestion to be added to Scratch.

(Don't create your own workaround topic, though, as you would be creating a duplicate of that topic!)

3. OTHER LISTS

3.1 Are topics to give ideas for suggestions allowed?

No. Each suggestion should be your own, original idea. If you have a good idea on how to improve Scratch, then suggest it, rather than making a topic with example suggestion ideas.

3.2 What if I make a topic that allows users to make their own suggestions?

That's the entire purpose of the Suggestions forums, where you make your own suggestions. There is no need to duplicate that in any way.

Plus, your suggestion will get more attention in its own topic, rather than it being in another one, and it will be more likely to be implemented by the Scratch Team in the process due to easier attention.

3.3 What if I made a list of suggestions to NOT add?

A suggestion, by definition, is an idea or plan put forward for consideration, not to bring down and destroy. You should not make topics to criticize other suggestions. As said very straightforwardly here, the Suggestions Forums are about giving suggestions, and not “anti-suggestions”.

Instead of focusing on the negativity of a topic, try focusing on how to make it better. Explaining politely the downsides and trying to fix it in a constructive way is a great way to use the Suggestions Forums.

3.4 What if I make a list of suggestions not for the Scratch Team, but for Scratchers?

The Constructive Recommendations topic should suffice for now. It is the exact same thing. The user is inactive, which would usually allow this kind of list to be created, but it doesn't at the moment. Paddle doesn't want any more guides at the moment. When he opens back up, you should ask him.

4. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

4.1 I still don't get it.

Lists of suggestions add further confusion on who's talking about what suggestion. If one of the suggestions gets rejected, and the mods point that out, but the user is too inactive to fix it, and users just continue on in the conversation, what then?

Technically, yes, the Scratch Team could just edit the posts. Now, this is where the confusion begins. So many suggestions… Some are rejected, some are dupes that people can't find the link to, some might be duplicated but are ambiguous in definition… What now?

Please make sure you keep each suggestion on their own topic so it stays focused on one suggestion.

4.2 How do I make a good list?

First thing's first: Check out the Rejected Suggestions and Duplicate stickies to see if your topic will be rejected / it has already been suggested.

Next thing up: You need to determine whether the list would be closely related using Question 1.2. To sum it up, they must be related to each other im a clear way. Less similar suggestions can warrant their own topics so it stays focused.

Make sure the suggestions themselves are explained clearly. The clearer you are, the more likely you'll be to get constructive feedback.

Make sure you think carefully about whether the suggestions really can't work without each other before sharing it. Otherwise, you may have to make it in more than one topic.

Then, you can share your list to the Scratch Team! Good luck!