(ORIGINAL SUGGESTION. GO TO POST #26 FOR REVISED ONE) so basically this suggestion is about AI generated images. The whole purpose is to make sure no one falls for fake AI images or stop people from claiming they made something that is actually made by AI. How it works: There is a report option saying “This project has AI images” and it works similar to the “This project has inappropriate/violent images” option. If the report goes through and there actually is AI content a permanent message will appear saying “This project possibly contains computer generated images, or more well known as AI images and may contain false real life images or artwork that the project creator may not have created.”.

Although I'm not entirely sure if Scratch is anti-AI, as they have considered implementing it (although plans for that are currently on hold). But regardless, I think it's a great idea. And could be a good bounce back after the negative reception users gave after they found out about said plans. But whether or not this gets implemented I think depends on ST's concerns regarding unethical AI usage.

maybe if AI art isn't allowed then you can just report it as uncredited assets/scripts, or whatever it's called. and just say it's ai generated and the user claims that they drew it themselves. just a thought, take this with a grain of salt

glitcX wrote:

maybe if AI art isn't allowed then you can just report it as uncredited assets/scripts, or whatever it's called. and just say it's ai generated and the user claims that they drew it themselves. just a thought, take this with a grain of salt

but as I mentioned I said “fake ai images” which basically what I mean are those images on Facebook made by ai like those images where they say something like “My nephew made a bicycle out of broccoli “ with a “real” image that is made by ai (they don’t say it’s ai) showing the bicycle and the nephew riding it or whatever and stuff like that.

TheModernScratcher wrote:

Although I'm not entirely sure if Scratch is anti-AI, as they have considered implementing it (although plans for that are currently on hold). But regardless, I think it's a great idea. And could be a good bounce back after the negative reception users gave after they found out about said plans. But whether or not this gets implemented I think depends on ST's concerns regarding unethical AI usage.

adding on to this and my suggestion. If they do end up implementing AI features. They could add the message to the project whenever someone uses the AI feature

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

TheModernScratcher wrote:

Although I'm not entirely sure if Scratch is anti-AI, as they have considered implementing it (although plans for that are currently on hold). But regardless, I think it's a great idea. And could be a good bounce back after the negative reception users gave after they found out about said plans. But whether or not this gets implemented I think depends on ST's concerns regarding unethical AI usage.

adding on to this and my suggestion. If they do end up implementing AI features. They could add the message to the project whenever someone uses the AI feature

I guess so.

TheModernScratcher wrote:

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

TheModernScratcher wrote:

Although I'm not entirely sure if Scratch is anti-AI, as they have considered implementing it (although plans for that are currently on hold). But regardless, I think it's a great idea. And could be a good bounce back after the negative reception users gave after they found out about said plans. But whether or not this gets implemented I think depends on ST's concerns regarding unethical AI usage.

adding on to this and my suggestion. If they do end up implementing AI features. They could add the message to the project whenever someone uses the AI feature

I guess so.

What

TheModernScratcher wrote:

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Although I'm not entirely sure if Scratch is anti-AI, as they have considered implementing it (although plans for that are currently on hold). But regardless, I think it's a great idea. And could be a good bounce back after the negative reception users gave after they found out about said plans. But whether or not this gets implemented I think depends on ST's concerns regarding unethical AI usage.

It's a little more complicated than just “the plans are on hold.” There are certain properties of present-day generative AI that are fundamentally incompatible with the mission of Scratch.

Generative image models like DALL-E are trained on massive amounts of content, most of which was used without the permission of the creators.
They're also not very intuitive; it could take several iterations with increasingly specific prompts to get an image that resembles what you're looking for.

Without fundamental changes to the entire structure of how these generative models work, which would basically mean throwing away all the work that's already been done, I don't think GenAI will ever be considered suitable for Scratch by those standards.

While I support (I for one am both anti-AI-image-generation and anti-art-theft), I can't say it's likely we'll ever see this.
For one, Scratch Team seems to support AI image generation– as others have stated, it's been considered being implemented into the actual site. And while I'm not claiming Scratch Team is pro-theft (it plainly states in ToS that they want people's work to be credited), they also haven't made much of an effort against it in a while, it's likely not high on their list of priorities.

AI doesn't violate the CG. It's not supported, and is frowned upon, but it's not inappropriate.

TheAutocorrectingCat wrote:

AI doesn't violate the CG. It's not supported, and is frowned upon, but it's not inappropriate.

OP means if someone uses AI images without saying its AI, e.g. like those fake social media posts mentioned in #4

TheAutocorrectingCat wrote:

AI doesn't violate the CG. It's not supported, and is frowned upon, but it's not inappropriate.

it could be argued that AI could violate the Community Guidelines since the community guidelines state you should provide credit for anyone who's work you used, and AI image generation does not involve giving any form of credit for the works the AI is trained on, so it would be impossible to give proper credit for an AI-generated image.
this is a separate part of the Community Guidelines to what OP is referring to (which is the “Be honest” rule), but just something to consider.

I feel like AI being used to break the “Be honest” guideline might already fall under “This project is misleading or tricks the community” in the report menu, though that wouldn't show up with a message about AI on the project like OP is suggesting.

-Squiggle wrote:

TheAutocorrectingCat wrote:

AI doesn't violate the CG. It's not supported, and is frowned upon, but it's not inappropriate.

it could be argued that AI could violate the Community Guidelines since the community guidelines state you should provide credit for anyone who's work you used, and AI image generation does not involve giving any form of credit for the works the AI is trained on, so it would be impossible to give proper credit for an AI-generated image.
this is a separate part of the Community Guidelines to what OP is referring to (which is the “Be honest” rule), but just something to consider.

I feel like AI being used to break the “Be honest” guideline might already fall under “This project is misleading or tricks the community” in the report menu, though that wouldn't show up with a message about AI on the project like OP is suggesting.

I agree. Fake social media posts and the like do break the rules, and should be reported, possibly under a new option. However, normal AI shouldn’t require a warning and is generally appropriate.


Please remember to report all inappropriate content.

i HATE ai
but according to scratch since ai is not always inappropriate or false, i don’t think a warning is needed
if it’s fake you can report it
if it’s inappropriate you can report it

Don't support…. I get your concern about ai but if someone said that it wasn't ai then you could just report it as “Tricking the community” but if it was innappropriate you could just report it as “Innappropriate” but if it's just a simple appropriate ai image i'd expect a lot of false reports about a simple appropriate ai image. if this was added

Ninja'd (Kind of)

what if i make that tries to look like ai art and claim i drew it (because i did) and then i got reported

ight so fixing some things up. The whole purpose is to let people know that the art was created by computer and isn’t real or wasn’t made by the OP while keeping the project up cause it still kinda has the imagination thingy cuz someone just thought of that idea one random day. NOT that any of it is inappropriate as this suggestion is talking about normal AI art. And also adding on, maybe a appeal thingy could be done.

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

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glitcX wrote:

maybe if AI art isn't allowed then you can just report it as uncredited assets/scripts, or whatever it's called. and just say it's ai generated and the user claims that they drew it themselves. just a thought, take this with a grain of salt

but as I mentioned I said “fake ai images” which basically what I mean are those images on Facebook made by ai like those images where they say something like “My nephew made a bicycle out of broccoli “ with a “real” image that is made by ai (they don’t say it’s ai) showing the bicycle and the nephew riding it or whatever and stuff like that.

Wouldn't that just fall under tricking or misleading the community

scratchcode1_2_3 wrote:

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

(#4)

glitcX wrote:

maybe if AI art isn't allowed then you can just report it as uncredited assets/scripts, or whatever it's called. and just say it's ai generated and the user claims that they drew it themselves. just a thought, take this with a grain of salt

but as I mentioned I said “fake ai images” which basically what I mean are those images on Facebook made by ai like those images where they say something like “My nephew made a bicycle out of broccoli “ with a “real” image that is made by ai (they don’t say it’s ai) showing the bicycle and the nephew riding it or whatever and stuff like that.

Wouldn't that just fall under tricking or misleading the community

yes but as I said someone had the imagination to make the prompt that day and in the original post I made I also suggested a section saying the image might be fake. but i might make a revision of this suggestion and probably provide an example soon

Partial support. I feel like this would be a good idea, but it should probably be changed to something like “The creator of this project took credit for others’ work”. (Does that already exist?)