Currently if you were to report a project for stealing music you would need a link, but sometimes I don't know where the project got the music from but I still know the creator didn't make the music by themselves, I've had an instance where I reported a project that said “Music: not me” for not giving credit (because that does not count as giving credit), and ended up getting an alert, I think this need to be fixed by making it so you do not need a link to report stolen music.

Is there another way to prove the music was stolen though?

How can you be so sure that the “Music: not me” comment was not a joke?

Yes, I recognize that it's probably very obvious to tell whether music was made by a Scratcher or not, but hearsay is not sufficient when claiming that content was stolen. You'd need proof that it's from somewhere else. Otherwise, you'd need to be more specific with your suggestion on what proof should be required other than a link to somewhere.

Za-Chary wrote:

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How can you be so sure that the “Music: not me” comment was not a joke?

That's just ridiculous, why would anybody admit to stealing music in the credits as a joke? Also, it seems like writing credits like this has became a widespread issue on Scratch, which is bad because it's technically illegal

Scratchedbyyou wrote:

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Is there another way to prove the music was stolen though?

The person literally admitting to it

What if the project creator doesn't know where the original music came from? What are they supposed to write for credit?

Za-Chary wrote:

What if the project creator doesn't know where the original music came from? What are they supposed to write for credit?

A. Find out where it came from or B. Don't use it

plantskym2 wrote:

A. Find out where it came from

How is one supposed to find out where it came from?

plantskym2 wrote:

B. Don't use it

A reasonable strategy, but not one I would want to encourage for the sake of creativity.

Za-Chary wrote:

plantskym2 wrote:

A. Find out where it came from

How is one supposed to find out where it came from?

Maybe use google feature of humming, or/and how would they get the music? They either backpacked it or downloaded it right? So it shouldn't be that hard, just go back to the source they got it from.

Za-Chary wrote:

A reasonable strategy, but not one I would want to encourage for the sake of creativity.

I suppose, but it's better to not use it than use it without credit.

plantskym2 wrote:

Maybe use google feature of humming, or/and how would they get the music? They either backpacked it or downloaded it right? So it shouldn't be that hard, just go back to the source they got it from.

Suppose that they got the music from another Scratcher who also did not credit the original artist. It wouldn't make sense to credit the Scratcher as the original artist… (Although maybe it's better than nothing?)

Za-Chary wrote:

plantskym2 wrote:

Maybe use google feature of humming, or/and how would they get the music? They either backpacked it or downloaded it right? So it shouldn't be that hard, just go back to the source they got it from.

Suppose that they got the music from another Scratcher who also did not credit the original artist. It wouldn't make sense to credit the Scratcher as the original artist… (Although maybe it's better than nothing?)

then it would probably fall on that Scratcher who originally got it, whatever Scratcher originally got it, who didn't credit. punishment for anyone down the backpacking-line would have to be debated, but whoever started using without credit should get some kind of punishment

LeStrawberryTeaBoy wrote:

then it would probably fall on that Scratcher who originally got it, whatever Scratcher originally got it, who didn't credit. punishment for anyone down the backpacking-line would have to be debated, but whoever started using without credit should get some kind of punishment

That's an issue for the person who re-used it, then. To clarify, let's set up the following situation:

Scratcher A shares a project that contains copyrighted music that they did not create themselves, but does not give proper credit for that music.

Scratcher B shares a project which uses the same copyrighted music, having gotten it from Scratcher A. In the Notes and Credits, Scratcher B writes “Credit to Scratcher A for the music.”

Scratcher C sees Scratcher B's project and thinks “Wait, I've heard that before, Scratcher A definitely did not make that music.” However, Scratcher C is also unsure of who made the original music.

A natural next step is to report Scratcher A's project, but suppose instead that Scratcher C thinks “Since Scratcher A did not make this music, Scratcher B did not give proper credit, so I am going to report Scratcher B's project.”

In some sense, this line of thinking is reasonable at first thought, but the problem is that the Scratch Team will see that Scratcher B gave (someone) credit for the music, so this particular report will appear invalid. If the original project is not reported, then the Scratch Team is not able to easily tell where the original copied content is from — and furthermore they would have no way of verifying that Scratcher A indeed did not make the original music. So the discussion on what should be done with Scratcher B's project is relevant here.

sharkode wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

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How can you be so sure that the “Music: not me” comment was not a joke?

That's just ridiculous, why would anybody admit to stealing music in the credits as a joke? Also, it seems like writing credits like this has became a widespread issue on Scratch, which is bad because it's technically illegal

People actually quite commonly make very stupid jokes, I wouldn't be surprised if someone did this

Za-Chary wrote:

What if the project creator doesn't know where the original music came from? What are they supposed to write for credit?

They're supposed to not use it, atleast thats what seemed to be the case from past situations similar to this.
Atleast the general rule most people on the forums have been spreading was “don't use it if you don't have a source” (otherwise, people could always avoid giving credit via “idk”, which would be quite problematic)

Za-Chary wrote:

plantskym2 wrote:

Maybe use google feature of humming, or/and how would they get the music? They either backpacked it or downloaded it right? So it shouldn't be that hard, just go back to the source they got it from.

Suppose that they got the music from another Scratcher who also did not credit the original artist. It wouldn't make sense to credit the Scratcher as the original artist… (Although maybe it's better than nothing?)

In that case, I am stumped lol. But it starts with the first source, where did the scratcher that that used the music, which was then used by the other scratcher get it from? If everyone does the proper thing, this won't happen. (Although I know that everyone doing the right thing will never happen in this world rn)

Za-Chary wrote:

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plantskym2 wrote:

B. Don't use it

A reasonable strategy, but not one I would want to encourage for the sake of creativity.

You can't justify stealing music “for the sake of creativity”, it's literally illegal and is a violation of someone else's intellectual property

sharkode wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

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plantskym2 wrote:

B. Don't use it

A reasonable strategy, but not one I would want to encourage for the sake of creativity.

You can't justify stealing music “for the sake of creativity”, it's literally illegal and is a violation of someone else's intellectual property

I don’t think it’s illegal on scratch to not credit it. Not allowed, but not illegal?

starlightsparker wrote:

sharkode wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

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plantskym2 wrote:

B. Don't use it

A reasonable strategy, but not one I would want to encourage for the sake of creativity.

You can't justify stealing music “for the sake of creativity”, it's literally illegal and is a violation of someone else's intellectual property

I don’t think it’s illegal on scratch to not credit it. Not allowed, but not illegal?

It's licensed music, so it is technically illegal.

plantskym2 wrote:

It's licensed music, so it is technically illegal.

scratch projects dont make money so no not illegal. you cant go to jail for it

starlightsparker wrote:

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plantskym2 wrote:

It's licensed music, so it is technically illegal.

scratch projects dont make money so no not illegal. you cant go to jail for it

I don't think you can go to jail for it but it's still illegal, you can get sued

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