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iTweak0r
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ScratchJahd2011

Some people have said that it is like blocking downloads. But it is not hiding code. It's just providing a way to make games with save files.

I have a new idea: Save Data. On Scratch, it's hard to make long games because when someone comes back they have to play it all over again. You could make persistent storage with Cloud Variables/Lists, but what if someone is offline? Below is a way save data could work. There would be some blocks to do it. The first is:

save { something } into tag { tag }

The first part is easy. It lets you say what you want to save. But what's the “tag” part? It's kind of a “save variable,” a space where a saved value goes. If a tag does not exist, it creates one.

Where does the data go? The Scratch server. Server-wise, data would map from a username to a tag to a value to a project. Example format:

iTweak0r>Highscore>25>Flyer 4.5
iTweak0r>Extras Unlocked>true>Flyer 4.5

If someone is a guest, this would show up:

You need an account to save data.

Clicking “account” would show the login/signup page.

Edit: Another idea is to use cookies or Local Shared Objects (flash) for guests

We have covered “save,” but we need loading too! Well, loading would come as a Reporter block.

( load from tag { tag } )

Seems straightforward. You could use a variable block like:

set { highscore v } to ( load from tag { highscore } ). There's also some more blocks I would like to mention.

remove tag
< tag { tag } exists? >

Removing would, well, remove the tag from the server. There's also the exists? block that tests if a tag exists or not. An example of using it would be showing an intro screen if there's no save data.

if < tag { current level } exists? >
broadcast { play v }
else
broadcast { intro v } and wait
broadcast { play v }

That's all there is to save data. It could be in the Data category.

Do you like this idea, or do you have any more ideas to add? Just tell me.

Nice idea, but if people need to have an account in order to save data, some users could use this to force guests to make an account.

NoxSpooth wrote:

Nice idea, but if people need to have an account in order to save data, some users could use this to force guests to make an account.

The game continues normally (without save data) if someone is a guest, so it does not force someone to make an account.

Another idea is to use cookies instead for guests. Except if someone cleared their browser data, their save file would be gone.

iTweak0r wrote:

NoxSpooth wrote:

Nice idea, but if people need to have an account in order to save data, some users could use this to force guests to make an account.

The game continues normally (without save data) if someone is a guest, so it does not force someone to make an account.

Another idea is to use cookies instead for guests. Except if someone cleared their browser data, their save file would be gone.

They could program it to only allow people who are logged in.


But yeah, using cookies is a good idea as well.

You can already force users to log in

if < (username) = {} >
stop all

Doesn't cloud variables do the job?

dsaztur wrote:

Doesn't cloud variables do the job?

It's too time-consuming, and if someone made a word processor program another user could see EVERYONE'S files

iTweak0r wrote:

dsaztur wrote:

Doesn't cloud variables do the job?

It's too time-consuming, and if someone made a word processor program another user could see EVERYONE'S files

One of the main points of Scratch is sharing. Not just the project, but also its code. I understand your point, but I personally think that hiding data from other people isn‘t a good thing to do.

NoxSpooth wrote:

iTweak0r wrote:

dsaztur wrote:

Doesn't cloud variables do the job?

It's too time-consuming, and if someone made a word processor program another user could see EVERYONE'S files

One of the main points of Scratch is sharing. Not just the project, but also its code. I understand your point, but I personally think that hiding data from other people isn‘t a good thing to do.

But this is save data not cloud data it's supposed to be on only one person's computer/account/phone/whatever

iTweak0r wrote:

NoxSpooth wrote:

iTweak0r wrote:

dsaztur wrote:

Doesn't cloud variables do the job?

It's too time-consuming, and if someone made a word processor program another user could see EVERYONE'S files

One of the main points of Scratch is sharing. Not just the project, but also its code. I understand your point, but I personally think that hiding data from other people isn‘t a good thing to do.

But this is save data not cloud data it's supposed to be on only one person's computer/account/phone/whatever

Please explain the difference between both of them.

If it‘s private data, then I don‘t support.

This is great for OS simulators! STRONG SUPPORT

i like this idea. the idea of sharing in scratch is strong, but you will be sharing the code. this just simplifies the cloud variable thing. keeps save data from being easily exploited and skipping to the end of a game or unlocking all the unlockables.

NoxSpooth wrote:

iTweak0r wrote:

NoxSpooth wrote:

iTweak0r wrote:

dsaztur wrote:

Doesn't cloud variables do the job?

It's too time-consuming, and if someone made a word processor program another user could see EVERYONE'S files

One of the main points of Scratch is sharing. Not just the project, but also its code. I understand your point, but I personally think that hiding data from other people isn‘t a good thing to do.

But this is save data not cloud data it's supposed to be on only one person's computer/account/phone/whatever

Please explain the difference between both of them.

If it‘s private data, then I don‘t support.

I think he's saying: The scripts will be EXACTLY the same. It's just the fact that one PERSON gets to save data locally, and nobody can see that. It's sort of like how nobody can see your account.

Won't this be already possible when cloud lists are released? Also, I'd rather have data stored on the cloud than locally. If it were locally, it should be through Local Shared Objects (what Flash uses to store stuff in yor computer) and not through cookies as they are less likely to be reset.

think of it like this. the downloadable version of 2.0 is out, and you have this GIANT game, with 10 levels and each level takes 5 or so minutes to complete. you are working on the final level. but since you are using 2.0 without internet access, you can't save the game. all your progress is only accessible via the internet. so those of us who don't have an internet connection can't access unlockables and stuff like that without hacking the game or connecting to the internet.

heatguts wrote:

think of it like this. the downloadable version of 2.0 is out, and you have this GIANT game, with 10 levels and each level takes 5 or so minutes to complete. you are working on the final level. but since you are using 2.0 without internet access, you can't save the game. all your progress is only accessible via the internet. so those of us who don't have an internet connection can't access unlockables and stuff like that without hacking the game or connecting to the internet.

You need Internet access to go on Scratch and download a game. Why would you even want to play the downloaded version if you can play the online version? And in the downloaded version, it would be so easy to get back to where you were.

mitchboy wrote:

heatguts wrote:

think of it like this. the downloadable version of 2.0 is out, and you have this GIANT game, with 10 levels and each level takes 5 or so minutes to complete. you are working on the final level. but since you are using 2.0 without internet access, you can't save the game. all your progress is only accessible via the internet. so those of us who don't have an internet connection can't access unlockables and stuff like that without hacking the game or connecting to the internet.

You need Internet access to go on Scratch and download a game. Why would you even want to play the downloaded version if you can play the online version? And in the downloaded version, it would be so easy to get back to where you were.

so easy to get back where you were WITH SAVED DATA. without you have to use said method of hacking your own game. and maybe you have internet access sometimes but not always, or your speed isn't very fast and you would rather spend an hour downloading a game so you could play it offline then waiting an hour every time you want to have a 10-minute playing session.

Rub0Gameton wrote:

If it were locally, it should be through Local Shared Objects (what Flash uses to store stuff in yor computer)

good idea!

(I know this is an old post but I still want to answer)

NoxSpooth wrote:

Nice idea, but if people need to have an account in order to save data, some users could use this to force guests to make an account.

There are already ways to do this

Anyway, I support

Arrghh SuperJedi! Y U EDIT UR POST?