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DifferentDance8
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

So, as you all know, dislike buttons are normally rejected because they can demotivate. Here's the full quote:

The Official List of Rejected Suggestions wrote:

4.2 Dislike button or a project rating system

Generally, a user's first project is something rather simple, such as a test project, a remix, or a project made using a tutorial. Because this project is simple, other users may give the project low ratings since it is not advanced. With low enough ratings, the creator might be discouraged enough to stop using Scratch. Moreover, constructive feedback is encouraged on Scratch. A dislike button may show the creator how many people disliked their project, but it tells nothing about what the creator could do better. If you do not like a project, you could choose not to love it, or you could leave a respectful and constructive comment telling the user how to improve, in addition to saying what you like about the project.

With that, a dislike button is rejected for anything, including projects and comments. However, a like button for comments is NOT rejected. You can discuss it on this topic.

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But I want to focus on one singular sentence: “A dislike button may show the creator how many people disliked their project, but it tells nothing about what the creator could do better.”

What if there was a dislike button, but when clicking on it instead of just sending the dislike first it requires you to write a reason as to why you disliked the project and what the creator could do better. To combat potential private messaging abilities, the reasoning will also be sent as a comment (applying the character limit). It will also prevent “spam” reasonings as well. No reason, no dislike. The star and heart-it buttons remain the same though.
Zydrolic
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

There would also be no counter, correct?
EDIT: Also note that people can still be demotivating, spamming, etc. This does not resolve much in the grand scheme of things, not to mention I have high doubts that the person would undislike after their thing was resolved, and there would be reasons for disliking such as “too hard”, etc. So that's a bit of a nuisance.

Last edited by Zydrolic (Dec. 16, 2023 11:00:21)

DifferentDance8
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

Zydrolic wrote:

There would also be no counter, correct?
Nope!
In retrospect, it would be a lot like YouTube's dislike button which was memed to the moon and back but eh IDC as long as it's safe
Zydrolic
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

DifferentDance8 wrote:

(#3)
Nope!
In retrospect, it would be a lot like YouTube's dislike button which was memed to the moon and back but eh IDC as long as it's safe
Alright then, also was slow to make the edit, but will bring down:

Zydrolic wrote:

(#2)
EDIT: Also note that people can still be demotivating, spamming, etc. This does not resolve much in the grand scheme of things, not to mention I have high doubts that the person would undislike after their thing was resolved, and there would be reasons for disliking such as “too hard”, etc. So that's a bit of a nuisance.
k7e
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

If there is no counter and all that gets sent is a comment, then why not just… comment?
roofogato
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

You can just leave a comment at that point. And would it send a notification? That's seems…. :/ Imagine lil billy getting his scratch notification and its just " disliked your project because “haha me no likey”"
-StarryDog-
Scratcher
59 posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

No support.
Reasons:
1. A problem with this is

Roofogato wrote:

“ User disliked your project because “haha me no likey””
2. We already can tell people how to improve with the comment section.
DifferentDance8
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

roofogato wrote:

You can just leave a comment at that point. And would it send a notification? That's seems…. :/ Imagine lil billy getting his scratch notification and its just " disliked your project because “haha me no likey”"
It wouldn't send a notification.
Elijah999999
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

Already implemented, it's called a comment.

Seriously though, the only difference between your suggestion and the workaround is this may have a counter if it were implemented. Scratchers could find it discouraging. Especially since there's no way of enforcing users to type a reason. For example:
Scratcher has disliked your project untitled-1 for the reason:

“I hate your project because it's no good.”
Because of this, a report feature would need to be included as well.
ajskateboarder
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

Are there any benefits to pressing a button that does nothing and commenting, as compared to just commenting?

Elijah999999 wrote:

Because of this, a report feature would need to be included as well.
This button would send your reason in the comments and would use the comment report system
eikh2
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

No support. An unnecessary alternate to commenting.
wilhelm43
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

No support - Even with a reason, scratchers will still be able to send “nice reports”…
+ You can use comments / profil comments to give tips to a scratcher.
Prince_Wolf1
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

Just comment. What’s the difference if it does nothing different? Would I say “dislike” on the comment or anything?
dertermenter
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

I still feel like having a dislike button would be disheartening for some Scratchers, particuarly if it is then used on them. Furthermore, I feel many people using the form will be unconstructive, putting the Scratcher on full blast on how bad their project was, without any suggestions to improve the project, which may greatly upset the user in question, which the Scratch Team don't want. Overall, I think negative features on Scratch isn't really the approach the Scratch Team is looking for, and that Scratch Users instead putting comments saying what they liked about the project and how it could be improved would be a much better solution to giving feedback.
Sliverus
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

-StarryDog- wrote:

No support.
Reasons:
1. A problem with this is

Roofogato wrote:

“ User disliked your project because “haha me no likey””
While I don't agree with the suggestion either, I don't believe this is a proper argument against it for two reasons:
  1. You can also spam in comments, not just the dislike feature.
  2. Just because a suggestion isn't 100% perfect doesn't mean it shouldn't be done if there are significant pros and minor cons. Formally, it's known as the Nirvana fallacy (the fallacy that something must either be perfect or not implemented, regardless of how useful it would be).

However, there is a drastic flaw in this suggestion that hasn't been addressed yet. This suggestion is suggesting that you can send a message to another user explaining what they didn't like and how it could be improved. However, a message like this would open the doors to private messaging. If inappropriate or disrespectful discussions were happening on the site, the Scratch Team may never know.

Now, obviously there would probably be a feature to report inappropriate comments. However, there's an incredibly major flaw: If two users agree to use dislikes to privately communicate, and one of them says something inappropriate or disrespectful, the user might not want to report it, because if they do, then the Scratch Team will be able to see that they're both using the dislike feature to privately communicate, and they would both get into serious trouble.
ajskateboarder
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

Sliverus wrote:

However, there is a drastic flaw in this suggestion that hasn't been addressed yet. This suggestion is suggesting that you can send a message to another user explaining what they didn't like and how it could be improved. However, a message like this would open the doors to private messaging. If inappropriate or disrespectful discussions were happening on the site, the Scratch Team may never know.
However, the OP states:

DifferentDance8 wrote:

To combat potential private messaging abilities, the reasoning will also be sent as a comment (applying the character limit). It will also prevent “spam” reasonings as well.
Although the way that it's worded makes me wonder if these would still be private messages

Last edited by ajskateboarder (Dec. 16, 2023 20:57:43)

roofogato
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

DifferentDance8 wrote:

roofogato wrote:

You can just leave a comment at that point. And would it send a notification? That's seems…. :/ Imagine lil billy getting his scratch notification and its just " disliked your project because “haha me no likey”"
It wouldn't send a notification.

Then where would you see them?
Sliverus
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

ajskateboarder wrote:

Although the way that it's worded makes me wonder if these would still be private messages
Yeah, that's what I understood from that. Otherwise, it wouldn't be any different than a regular comment.
usefun
Scratcher
1000+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

Good idea. It could notify the creator of what he could do better.
arogix342
Scratcher
500+ posts

[SOLUTION] Dislike button

there's this great thing called the “comment section”,

Last edited by arogix342 (Dec. 16, 2023 23:04:26)

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