Kippyz49 wrote:

Would calling it a bump in the post make it more acceptable?

ThisIsTemp1 wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

sonic__fan wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

sonic__fan wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

I don't see the problem tbh.

Simple: these posts don't add anything to the discussion.

At some point, it can become hard to add to a discussion when the discussion has been going on for a while or your thoughts have already been said by someone else.

If someone has already said what you want to say, then just don't post.

And let the discussion possibly die? I wouldn't want to do that.

You can bump a suggestion.

Kippyz49 wrote:

The posts are like bumps, bumps give less information when you think about it.

Kippyz49 wrote:

The posts are like bumps, bumps give less information when you think about it.

Kippyz49 wrote:

sonic__fan wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

sonic__fan wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

I don't see the problem tbh.

Simple: these posts don't add anything to the discussion.

At some point, it can become hard to add to a discussion when the discussion has been going on for a while or your thoughts have already been said by someone else.

If someone has already said what you want to say, then just don't post.

And let the discussion possibly die? I wouldn't want to do that.

Kippyz49 wrote:

The posts are like bumps, bumps give less information when you think about it.

Kippyz49 wrote:

ThisIsTemp1 wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

The posts are like bumps, bumps give less information when you think about it.

That is because bumps aren’t supposed to give information.

So why should eve

ThisIsTemp1 wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

The posts are like bumps, bumps give less information when you think about it.

That is because bumps aren’t supposed to give information.

But why is so much information required? Showing that a lot of people support something still has value, even if they aren't all listing all the in depth reasons a suggestion will be good and why.

Kippyz49 wrote:

But why is so much information required? Showing that a lot of people support something still has value, even if they aren't all listing all the in depth reasons a suggestion will be good and why.

warriorcatsfreakalt wrote:

oh gosh this topic is becoming active–just a reminder to y'all that i changed my post (post #201) to align with my new opinion on this suggestion, thanks!

Kippyz49 wrote:

The posts are like bumps, bumps give less information when you think about it.

Bumps aren't meant for giving information–they're meant for bringing topics up to the first page of the forum and preventing the discussion from dying.
Anyways–maybe we should get back on topic with the original discussion?

starlightsparker wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

But why is so much information required? Showing that a lot of people support something still has value, even if they aren't all listing all the in depth reasons a suggestion will be good and why.

Because the forums are meant to be constructive.
Again, redundant (again, as in, “support for reasons in OP” and similar) discussion does not influence ST’s choice of implementing a suggestion, constructive discussion does. Bumps are allowed because their purpose is to bring up a buried topic to grow more discussion.

Kippyz49 wrote:

warriorcatsfreakalt wrote:

oh gosh this topic is becoming active–just a reminder to y'all that i changed my post (post #201) to align with my new opinion on this suggestion, thanks!

Kippyz49 wrote:

The posts are like bumps, bumps give less information when you think about it.

Bumps aren't meant for giving information–they're meant for bringing topics up to the first page of the forum and preventing the discussion from dying.
Anyways–maybe we should get back on topic with the original discussion?

Isn't this what the topic was about?

sonic__fan wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

I don't see the problem tbh.

Simple: these posts don't add anything to the discussion.

warriorcatsfreakalt wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

warriorcatsfreakalt wrote:

oh gosh this topic is becoming active–just a reminder to y'all that i changed my post (post #201) to align with my new opinion on this suggestion, thanks!

Kippyz49 wrote:

The posts are like bumps, bumps give less information when you think about it.

Bumps aren't meant for giving information–they're meant for bringing topics up to the first page of the forum and preventing the discussion from dying.
Anyways–maybe we should get back on topic with the original discussion?

Isn't this what the topic was about?

No. Please read this topic's title, and the original post

Kippyz49 wrote:

They're talking about posts that say “Support for Reasons in OP” and that's what is being discussed, right?

Kippyz49 wrote:

warriorcatsfreakalt wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

warriorcatsfreakalt wrote:

oh gosh this topic is becoming active–just a reminder to y'all that i changed my post (post #201) to align with my new opinion on this suggestion, thanks!

Kippyz49 wrote:

The posts are like bumps, bumps give less information when you think about it.

Bumps aren't meant for giving information–they're meant for bringing topics up to the first page of the forum and preventing the discussion from dying.
Anyways–maybe we should get back on topic with the original discussion?

Isn't this what the topic was about?

No. Please read this topic's title, and the original post

They're talking about posts that say “Support for Reasons in OP” and that's what is being discussed, right?

warriorcatsfreakalt wrote:

No, we have been discussing bumping topics. Bumps are not “Support for reasons in OP”.

starlightsparker wrote:

warriorcatsfreakalt wrote:

No, we have been discussing bumping topics. Bumps are not “Support for reasons in OP”.

We’re discussing bumps in relation to “Support for reasons in OP”.

PaperMarioFan2022 wrote:

sonic__fan wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

I don't see the problem tbh.

Simple: these posts don't add anything to the discussion.

Exactly the point that I was going to make!

There's absolutely no reason to argue against this topic. Both are unconstructive, regardless, like it or not. They do not back up explaination and rather serve as a vote for ballot boxes, and they add no new opinions or discuss anything about improving or giving feedback on a suggestion.

(I'm not mad btw.)

Kippyz49 wrote:

PaperMarioFan2022 wrote:

sonic__fan wrote:

Kippyz49 wrote:

I don't see the problem tbh.

Simple: these posts don't add anything to the discussion.

Exactly the point that I was going to make!

There's absolutely no reason to argue against this topic. Both are unconstructive, regardless, like it or not. They do not back up explaination and rather serve as a vote for ballot boxes, and they add no new opinions or discuss anything about improving or giving feedback on a suggestion.

(I'm not mad btw.)

I don't think serving as a vote is necessary a bad thing, If someone does it more than once it then it would definitely be unhelpful, but wouldn't it be helpful to see that many people support a suggestion?

birdoftheday wrote:

Imagine if someone made a suggestion to translate Scratch into Esperanto. For the uninformed, Esperanto is a language devised so that people from all kinds of countries can communicate with each other easily. Sounds great, right?

Right. This suggestion, outlining all the virtues of the language, has overwhelming support from the community. Who wouldn't want Scratch to be in a language that everybody speaks? It gets thousands of support posts overnight.

There are lots of people who bring up the problems with this idea. Why would you translate Scratch into Esperanto? Isn't it enough to have Scratch in all the different languages that people normally speak? Would it be worth the effort to undergo a whole translation project for something that nobody would use? Needless to say, these people are drowned out by all the ‘SUPPORT’ and ‘GREAT IDEA!!!’ posts that the community loves to make. Virtually no discussion happens on the topic because nobody cares about argument, they just care about flooding the suggestion with votes so that it might be implemented. If enough people like the suggestion, they say, it has to be implemented! They're wrong.

Now let's look at something else that could happen. Instead of thousands of ‘SUPPORT’ votes flooding in, people who like the suggestion bring up what might be good about the suggestion, and what might be bad and how it can be fixed. People who have negative opinions about the idea try to suggest things that can fix it. In the end, it is decided that the translation would not be necessary because people had a conversation about it.

The moral of the story is that for most things, thousands of votes don't work. There's a reason this place is called called “Discussion” and not “Ballot Box”. Things have to be decided via discussion, not mindless voting. Think of what Scratch could be if we changed and molded suggestions instead of supporting or not supporting them as they stand.