yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

ithcus wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

if you have ideas you should suggest then, but having people come up with ideas isn't really what this forum is for (:

the suggestion is that ST prioritize raising more funds for the servers, not any specific ways to do so, it is still a suggestion though.

yes, you are right, but if we don't even have solid ideas or proposals (as you can see from reading this thread) it isn't actually helping anybody or leading the way to an accepted suggestion

not exactly, the suggestion by itself is telling ST that they should change their current priority (which has been suggested in other ways previously, leading to valid discussion). True-so that this wouldn't actually solve the problem simply through this suggestion itself, but unlike the scratchers, ST does have more information relating to how they might be able to make more money, and thus, this suggestion by changing their focus could contribute to raising more funds.

i don't see why we need a suggestion for it though, because if ST is fully aware of needing more money and def has more information about than us about it, why can't they just…do what is needed to make it a priority

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

What would you suggest for Scratch to make more money? “Find ways to make more money” isn't too helpful if you don't offer any specific suggestions.

I specifically said I had no idea how in the suggestion.

“Scratch should add more blocks. I don't have any ideas but they should just add more.”

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

Just. Make it top priority to find more sources of money, or increase money flow from existing sources

That's a two-way street, remember — people have to be willing to donate more money. I don't think finding sources of money should be prioritized over moderation or keeping the website up and running smoothly.

I feel like ST would be researching this already, especially since they are at a point where they need to downtime the servers

I don't think pushing notices about donating would make much of a difference since a majority of children here are, well, children

Huge support. Scratch needs more money to fix their garbage servers. Here are a few ways that could happen.

• Sell a lot of merchandise.
  

• Always show a donate section at the top of the front page. (should be an option in the settings)
  

• Try to get educators and parents to donate.
  

• Publish an essay on why they need more donors.
  

No. Making money is great, but it seems their main priority is making the website available for everyone, and keeping it safe for everyone. Basically, their priority seems to be to make this statement true: “Scratch is a friendly and welcoming community for everyone, where people create, share, and learn together. We welcome people of all ages, races, ethnicities, religions, abilities, sexual orientations, and gender identities.” Arguably, that is a far more important priority than making money, and should be treated that way.

The Scratch Team is trying to manage their profits in a reasonable way, but they aren't going broke. Considering that, I think setting aside kids' freedom to represent themselves and even exist safely, in order to maximize profits, could be seen as greedy.

Sliverus wrote:

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I agree that Scratch needs to be a “friendly and welcoming community for everyone, where people create, share, and learn together”, but Scratch needs more money to fix their trash servers. If they don't get enough money, the servers will go down every 10 minutes, possibly ruining that “friendly and welcoming community for everyone, where people create, share, and learn together” purpose.

this is an idea

ithcus wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

ithcus wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

if you have ideas you should suggest then, but having people come up with ideas isn't really what this forum is for (:

the suggestion is that ST prioritize raising more funds for the servers, not any specific ways to do so, it is still a suggestion though.

yes, you are right, but if we don't even have solid ideas or proposals (as you can see from reading this thread) it isn't actually helping anybody or leading the way to an accepted suggestion

not exactly, the suggestion by itself is telling ST that they should change their current priority (which has been suggested in other ways previously, leading to valid discussion). True-so that this wouldn't actually solve the problem simply through this suggestion itself, but unlike the scratchers, ST does have more information relating to how they might be able to make more money, and thus, this suggestion by changing their focus could contribute to raising more funds.

i don't see why we need a suggestion for it though, because if ST is fully aware of needing more money and def has more information about than us about it, why can't they just…do what is needed to make it a priority

Currently, the ST focuses more on moderation, sight-upkeep, and supporting new ideas (as Za-Chary has stated), while the suggestion might not be logical, it is a valid suggestion as currently we can see that raising funds is definitly not the top priority for the ST (its probably pretty high, but definitly not the highest)

You know most kids here doesn’t even have their own cash
Or paypal
Or anything related to money

Some don’t have usd


I don’t know what to say anymore, but I don’t really like this idea even though scratch does need money

Also the sever downtimes doesn’t happen that much

Za-Chary wrote:

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

What would you suggest for Scratch to make more money? “Find ways to make more money” isn't too helpful if you don't offer any specific suggestions.

I specifically said I had no idea how in the suggestion.

“Scratch should add more blocks. I don't have any ideas but they should just add more.”

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

Just. Make it top priority to find more sources of money, or increase money flow from existing sources

That's a two-way street, remember — people have to be willing to donate more money. I don't think finding sources of money should be prioritized over moderation or keeping the website up and running smoothly.

Prioritizing money allows stronger moderation and servers. It’s a win-win for everyone

hydrofungus wrote:

You know most kids here doesn’t even have their own cash
Or paypal
Or anything related to money

Some don’t have usd


I don’t know what to say anymore, but I don’t really like this idea even though scratch does need money

Also the sever downtimes doesn’t happen that much

Not really downtimes, but points where the server just… bugs out and doesn’t let you access anything except the front page and CG. That is a server-wide issue. And it happens about once every day, if not more.

EDawg2011 wrote:

• Sell a lot of merchandise.
  

• Always show a donate section at the top of the front page. (should be an option in the settings)
  

• Try to get educators and parents to donate.
  

• Publish an essay on why they need more donors.
  

1. Issues with manufacturing
2. Ok but that banner can actually be x’ed out
3. Parents don’t really want to donate and care about their savings
4. Ok but some don’t want to read big text

gdfsgdfsgdfg wrote:

1. Issues with manufacturing
2. Ok but that banner can actually be x’ed out
3. Parents don’t really want to donate and care about their savings
4. Ok but some don’t want to read big text

1. What issues?
2. It will be defaulted to always showing.
3. Their children could probably convince them.
4. They could publish the essay in “announcements”

EDawg2011 wrote:

1. What issues?
2. It will be defaulted to always showing.
3. Their children could probably convince them.
4. They could publish the essay in “announcements”

1. I literally told you
2. You misunderstood the second part of my post
3. Wrong, parents don’t believe every thing that depletes their money
4. You misunderstood the fourth part of my post

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

Prioritizing money allows stronger moderation and servers. It’s a win-win for everyone

I'm not saying it's a bad thing to seek out funding, but it shouldn't be the “#1 priority.” If inappropriate content on this website gets posted because the Scratch Team neglects moderation in favor of taking the time to seek out extra funding, then that's not a good thing. Moderation should be prioritized higher than fundraising. Similarly, development (specifically website maintenance) should be prioritized higher than fundraising. Especially since moderation and maintenance are immediate issues with immediate fixes — fundraising is a long-term issue that has no quick fixes.

Za-Chary wrote:

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

Prioritizing money allows stronger moderation and servers. It’s a win-win for everyone

I'm not saying it's a bad thing to seek out funding, but it shouldn't be the “#1 priority.” If inappropriate content on this website gets posted because the Scratch Team neglects moderation in favor of taking the time to seek out extra funding, then that's not a good thing. Moderation should be prioritized higher than fundraising. Similarly, development (specifically website maintenance) should be prioritized higher than fundraising. Especially since moderation and maintenance are immediate issues with immediate fixes — fundraising is a long-term issue that has no quick fixes.

You can’t do either of those things without money. Money should be over all, because all other features are dependent on it

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

You can’t do either of those things without money. Money should be over all, because all other features are dependent on it

The Scratch Team already has money. You are suggesting that they find more money — which is good — but you are suggesting specifically that they should prioritize finding money over everything else. That's not good.

It's like if someone were to prioritize sending out job applications over eating, sleeping, drinking water, and overall taking care of themself. That's not healthy. Yes, sending out job applications is important for people to find a job and make money, and eventually that person will need money so that they can continue to take care of themselves by buying food, etc., but that doesn't mean they should completely stop eating anything for the sake of making job applications their “#1 priority.”

Za-Chary wrote:

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

You can’t do either of those things without money. Money should be over all, because all other features are dependent on it

The Scratch Team already has money. You are suggesting that they find more money — which is good — but you are suggesting specifically that they should prioritize finding money over everything else. That's not good.

It's like if someone were to prioritize sending out job applications over eating, sleeping, drinking water, and overall taking care of themself. That's not healthy. Yes, sending out job applications is important for people to find a job and make money, and eventually that person will need money so that they can continue to take care of themselves by buying food, etc., but that doesn't mean they should completely stop eating anything for the sake of making job applications their “#1 priority.”

If they had money, they wouldn’t be laying off moderators and having server issues about once a day.

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

If they had money, they wouldn’t be laying off moderators and having server issues about once a day.

I think you're missing the point of my argument. I agree that the Scratch Team should seek out funding whenever possible. The only thing that I am arguing against is your phrasing that this should be the #1 priority. If there are server issues 10 times a day, but when asked about it, the Scratch Team says "Oh, the folks who usually do maintenance to prevent these server issues have been neglecting the servers in favor of seeking funding for Scratch, because that's our #1 priority," then I don't think you would be very happy about that.

Za-Chary wrote:

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

If they had money, they wouldn’t be laying off moderators and having server issues about once a day.

I think you're missing the point of my argument. I agree that the Scratch Team should seek out funding whenever possible. The only thing that I am arguing against is your phrasing that this should be the #1 priority. If there are server issues 10 times a day, but when asked about it, the Scratch Team says "Oh, the folks who usually do maintenance to prevent these server issues have been neglecting the servers in favor of seeking funding for Scratch, because that's our #1 priority," then I don't think you would be very happy about that.

Because it’s probably already a top priority, but it should be even higher of a priority
Hold on, didn’t cut the quote right