This is not another rank, for a very simple reason: it can be revoked. It does not show up on profiles.

It grants access to things like up to 20 cloud variables per project, longer about me/WIWO, longer comments, slightly more lenient filterbot and making automatic takedowns harder (12 reports instead of 6).

You only have it if you haven't got a takedown in the last 30 days or a ban in the last 60 days.

The exact benefits and rules are up to the ST.

yeah but if that's the only way to have it almost everyone would have it

Extra obligations are rejected, but a hidden “trusted” status might help the reporting system.

Support(ish). Because it seems like it can be a good idea so that it's for those that actually are helpful. But some people would start to think that the ST is biased on some people if this was not known (but I kinda doubt that may happen).

So now for one question. What if someone did not have a ban in the last 60 days or an alert in the last 30 days but then they make an inappropriate project. Would it be reported the same way as a person who did get an alert the last 30 days or a ban in the last 60 days or will it be harder to be reported.

Support. Semi-Support
It would help the moderation team at Scratch (I will always link Scratch, even if I'm on it *insert evil laughter*). 20 cloud variables is way to much.

mumu245 wrote:

20 cloud variables per project, longer about me/WIWO, longer comments

I feel like those limits are in place because of server space, not based on trustworthiness.

mumu245 wrote:

slightly more lenient filterbot.

But couldn't someone fake being trustworthy and then start using bad words?

Adding Ranks above Scratcher status is a rejected suggestion, even if it's not publicly available. You can still brag about it, and extra permissions can still be abused. In addition, server space is finite, and a new rank that allows more cloud variables and comment length will increase storage space needed.

No support for 20 cloud variables per project. This would take up way too much space. Besides, unless you're making a multiplayer game, You really don't need that many cloud variables.
I'm a little conflicted about the rest, though. Longer comments like 750 characters or something sound nice, but it also sounds like this rank could be easily abused. Maybe if you've never gotten more than 2 takedowns or 5 bans then you're revoked from getting it entirely. About Me and WIWO can't really be used for spam, so they need more space to begin with. The only positive from the limited space is that it's harder to say swear words via ASCII art.
My suggestion: nobody knows it exists except the ST and the only benefit you get is it taking more reports to get mass reported. It gets silently released without anyone noticing.

If a trusted user made a project with 20 cloud variables and then a non-trusted user remixed it, since the non-trusted doesn't have access to 20 cloud variables the project would break. I don't think it's a good idea to add a way to make projects only accessible to some people.

I feel like you've written this before, although with changes.

mumu245 wrote:

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This is not another rank, for a very simple reason: it can be revoked. It does not show up on profiles.

That's one way to handle.

-snip of benefits I'll get onto in abit-

Even if the rank doesn't show on profiles, this isn't a good start since you'll see their benefits anyway, limiting that to other “trusted” members is another issue, what's the pont of having benefits a large group of people can't see?

It grants access to things like up to 20 cloud variables per project

20 cloud variables is also personally just overkill, I believe the current amount is enough, since if I remember, you have 256 characters PER CLOUD VARIABLE, which means you have a total of 2560 characters, with this, you'd have 5120 characters, which is just sounding like an overkill.

longer about me/WIWO

I've never really seen the point of extending it, is it to fit in a few links? I mean, it's probably just me but I feel like the amount we have is just fine enough, an extra sub-rank or status which also adds onto them is just weird to me.

longer comments

Again I believe 500 is good ‘nuff, I think we’d just get some unfunny copypasta spammed abit more often since people can put a facade.

slightly more lenient filterbot.

So you're telling me someone would be able to say a few blacklisted words that ST is blocking to prevent bypasses? This can have misuse.

You only have it if you haven't got a takedown in the last 30 days or a ban in the last 60 days.

So if you get either, you get instantly nabbed of this “sub-rank”? What about any comment you'd have created beforehand, your WIWO, your AM, and etc?
Would those be wiped or shortened?


I personally say no support because granting more authority or benefits to certain people is just gonna give a papyrus-flywalk boost to their ego and flex more often, plus I believe this is abit too vague and could have abit more elaboration, as I don't capiché much.

EDIT: And just to say, people can just put up a facade and suddenly be realized as a snake who does nothing but put up a ploy for their own amusement — Betraying others, causing some petty drama, and people who trusted them will just feel really betrayed, even if not as much or more than ST since they gave the user genuine authority AND their trust, only for the user to put a ploy & facade and reveal themselves as the snake in the box.

Honestly the only possible way to fit in a “sub-rank” like this is just by extending the user's report character limit a LITTLE bit, by around atleast 50 characters for more in-depth about what causes a rule-break in stuff like a project.

When you can grant or have authority, there's bound for the apple tree to have bad apples and worms, it isn't like that one story where people put up their stands and nobody stole, this is the internet, where everyone has a sort of anonymity, not where you can memorize the other to identify (as a user), at minimum their writing style, which probably will change.
But since this is turning into a miniature essay, I believe I can just say I don't think ST should give sub-ranks, since an apple tree will always have it's bad apples & worms.

Tl;dr because I just realized I wrote a mini essay: I believe it's unneccasary because giving benefits to a “hidden” rank means the benefits will be noticed, 20 cloud feels overkill, longer wiwo/am/comments same one, question on what happens to your past interactions with these higher limits, lenient filter wouldnt be so good for reasons said (i cant think on how to shorten that part), people will just put up facades & ploys to do petty drama or stunts, making their friends as betrayed as or more than ST themselves.

Granting or having authority, the apple tree is bound to have bad apples and it's worms.
As a solution I can give, extending their report-space for projects by like 50 characters to specify abit more is ALOT better as it's not only invisible, but can help if you want to explain it more in-depth, that is not only invisible to literally everyone but ST, but honestly gives a better benefit of assisting, and makes more sense for the “trusted” sub-rank/status, but that's just me.

I feel this is still rejected

Skywarslord wrote:

If a trusted user made a project with 20 cloud variables and then a non-trusted user remixed it, since the non-trusted doesn't have access to 20 cloud variables the project would break. I don't think it's a good idea to add a way to make projects only accessible to some people.

The last 10 could get disabled, the way it works for New Scratchers where all are disabled.

Crispydogs101 wrote:

Support(ish). Because it seems like it can be a good idea so that it's for those that actually are helpful. But some people would start to think that the ST is biased on some people if this was not known (but I kinda doubt that may happen).

So now for one question. What if someone did not have a ban in the last 60 days or an alert in the last 30 days but then they make an inappropriate project. Would it be reported the same way as a person who did get an alert the last 30 days or a ban in the last 60 days or will it be harder to be reported.

Possibly it would disable automatic takedowns, other than that it would be the same.

TeenySpoon wrote:

mumu245 wrote:

20 cloud variables per project, longer about me/WIWO, longer comments

I feel like those limits are in place because of server space, not based on trustworthiness.

mumu245 wrote:

slightly more lenient filterbot.

But couldn't someone fake being trustworthy and then start using bad words?

They could still get removed and have their status disabled.
The cloud variable limits are there to prevent making chatrooms, since you can just make 2 projects for the same server abuse.

Zydrolic wrote:

I've never really seen the point of extending it, is it to fit in a few links? I mean, it's probably just me but I feel like the amount we have is just fine enough, an extra sub-rank or status which also adds onto them is just weird to me.

Probably because people put theirs in a studio description, which is not as nice.

Zydrolic wrote:

What about any comment you'd have created beforehand, your WIWO, your AM, and etc?
Would those be wiped or shortened?

Comments would stay. About Me / WIWO would become uneditable unless you shorten them.

Scratchdev57 wrote:

20 cloud variables is way to much.

It could be immensely useful.

mumu245 wrote:

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The last 10 could get disabled, the way it works for New Scratchers where all are disabled.

Well whats the point of +10 cloud when not even the sub-rank sees it or is able to utilize said “benefit”?

The cloud variable limits are there to prevent making chatrooms, since you can just make 2 projects for the same server abuse.

Fair enough but actually there is more danger than good within this, now that you remind me.
Thinking of it, you only added “no punishments in the last ()” atleast as of currently, that requirement is set too low, someone creates alt, creates 2 projects, waits, gets Scratcher, waits even longer for this Trusted status, then makes a freechat project — That is a problem, raising the bar will make it look like Scratch prioritizes popularity, if you're name is famous and out there, you bet people will speculate.

Probably because people put theirs in a studio description, which is not as nice.

Fair enough but I don't know why making stuff look ‘nice’ really matters, AM is meant to give a brief introduction of who you are, even if it's not that really brief in general, WIWO is supposed to be just plainly on what you are working on as of current, which is also meant briefly.

Comments would stay. About Me / WIWO would become uneditable unless you shorten them.

Fair.

It could be immensely useful.

Then again, 256 characters, 10 max. Double 2560, you get 5120 — It's just honestly overkill.
And I'll just say this isn't “truly” invisible:

Zydrolic wrote:

Even if the rank doesn't show on profiles, this isn't a good start since you'll see their benefits anyway, limiting that to other “trusted” members is another issue, what's the pont of having benefits a large group of people can't see?

And now to remember, is this really neccasary for education? Since this basically turns the user into a “Community Celebrity” (if they interact with the community at all).

EDIT: Actually didn't see this originally:

mumu245 wrote:

(#1)
making automatic takedowns harder (12 reports instead of 6).

Well, that adds onto my other point because of how low the bar is set for this rank as of currently writing, setting too high leads to speculation and there1s no real in-between without basically it being a “Community Celebrity” or just a Scratcher+ “sub-rank” or just an extense of giving you benefits you won't really need or use, sure, people might wish their cloud was doubled, but that feels overkill, I feel like 2560 characters total is good ‘nuff, even if I barely use cloud on main, but it just feels like a “You have gained benefits for not being punished at all yet or for doing absolutely nothing after your Scratcher Status.” in general.
Also, this leads to even more inappropriate projects, which could encourage users to call this out, which isn’t good, doubling what requires automatic takedowns is just not good, that makes even more snakes come out of the box (More trolls could come and post inappropriate stuff, if that auto take down requirement is doubled, that just ain't very good.)
I think this is going overboard and might just look like a fight so I'll be stopping here, but I'll read the reply still

What if i dont comment on scratch or share any projects for 30-60 days?

Zydrolic wrote:

Well whats the point of +10 cloud when not even the sub-rank sees it or is able to utilize said “benefit”?

Trusted users can use 20 variables, others can only use 10. New Scratchers cannot use them.

Zydrolic wrote:

Fair enough but actually there is more danger than good within this, now that you remind me.
Thinking of it, you only added “no punishments in the last ()” atleast as of currently, that requirement is set too low, someone creates alt, creates 2 projects, waits, gets Scratcher, waits even longer for this Trusted status, then makes a freechat project — That is a problem, raising the bar will make it look like Scratch prioritizes popularity, if you're name is famous and out there, you bet people will speculate.

Fair enough but the solution is adding these rules to the CGs.

Zydrolic wrote:

Fair enough but I don't know why making stuff look ‘nice’ really matters, AM is meant to give a brief introduction of who you are, even if it's not that really brief in general, WIWO is supposed to be just plainly on what you are working on as of current, which is also meant briefly.

But they should be longer than comments. AM shouldn't just be:

I do useless stuff
I am a he/him | Orthodox Christian | Romanian | Linux Mint 21.2 | No ads | F4F is fine | British English is the real English

https://Secret-chest.github.io

Zydrolic wrote:

Well, that adds onto my other point because of how low the bar is set for this rank as of currently writing, setting too high leads to speculation and there1s no real in-between without basically it being a “Community Celebrity” or just a Scratcher+ “sub-rank” or just an extense of giving you benefits you won't really need or use, sure, people might wish their cloud was doubled, but that feels overkill, I feel like 2560 characters total is good ‘nuff, even if I barely use cloud on main, but it just feels like a “You have gained benefits for not being punished at all yet or for doing absolutely nothing after your Scratcher Status.” in general.
Also, this leads to even more inappropriate projects, which could encourage users to call this out, which isn’t good.

Exactly. This would also serve to prevent popular users from getting targeted.

Stop trying to convince me that nobody will need these, just because you don't.

mumu245 wrote:

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Stop trying to convince me that nobody will need these, just because you don't.

I was not implying that fully nobody would need it (If I did then my apologies for my rusty english), just that it could or would cause more chaos than cheer, and my goal wasn't to convince you it's useless and nobody would use it, but just pointing out a few issues with it.

Zydrolic wrote:

I was not implying that fully nobody would need it (If I did then my apologies for my rusty english), just that it could or would cause more chaos than cheer, and my goal wasn't to convince you it's useless and nobody would use it, but just pointing out a few issues with it.

Name an issue with having more characters in WIWO.

mumu245 wrote:

(#17)
Name an issue with having more characters in WIWO.

All I said is that I find having a sub-rank for more characters odd, I don't have issue with it — Just that I find it weird:

Zydrolic wrote:

an extra sub-rank or status which also adds onto them is just weird to me.

and that I don't know why making stuff look nice really matters, but this is going off-topic.

To those asking - I see this not so much as a new rank as another variation of a karma system, where your behavior influences your access to functionality. We have had karma systems proposed before but I'm not sure if we have a root topic we can direct this towards.

mumu245 wrote:

It grants access to things like up to 20 cloud variables per project, longer about me/WIWO, longer comments, slightly more lenient filterbot

How much more lenient would the rules be?