dhfbei8987 wrote:

I don't feel like talking about this one; allow Pheonix Wright to be my voice instead.

They don't reject “a few suggestions”, they rarely ever add ANY suggestions at all.

Bring up this post.

dertermenter wrote:

Yes but to go with that scratch should also add some advanced features to make it easier for these advanced users.

The Scratch Team shouldn't focus on one specific community because they find it too hard to make things that are hard to make.

No support.

Maybe it's time for you to move on if Scratch isn't cutting it anymore. I already have mostly abandoned Scratch, except for the forums.

And the long development pipeline can be excused. Lots of stuff goes on backstage (e.g bugfixing/cross-platform testing).

fdreerf wrote:

dertermenter wrote:

Yes but to go with that scratch should also add some advanced features to make it easier for these advanced users.

The Scratch Team shouldn't focus on one specific community because they find it too hard to make things that are hard to make.

I don’t know if your joking???

fdreerf wrote:

dertermenter wrote:

Yes but to go with that scratch should also add some advanced features to make it easier for these advanced users.

The Scratch Team shouldn't focus on one specific community because they find it too hard to make things that are hard to make.

This isn't just advanced suggestions not being implemented. No suggestions are getting implemented.

PkmnQ wrote:

fdreerf wrote:

dertermenter wrote:

Yes but to go with that scratch should also add some advanced features to make it easier for these advanced users.

The Scratch Team shouldn't focus on one specific community because they find it too hard to make things that are hard to make.

This isn't just advanced suggestions not being implemented. No suggestions are getting implemented.

14,000 users have posted on the forums at least twice. Suggestions users are a minority and in no means represents the site as a whole. No user except the Scratch Team should dictate what does and doesn't get implemented, and this suggestion is just “implement more suggestions”. Why should they? Scratch is already good enough to make every project that has ever been made. Suggestions is a place to discuss “making improvements to the site”. Nowhere does it said that said improvements would ever get implemented.

fdreerf wrote:

Scratch is already good enough to make every project that has ever been made

what happens if we want to make projects that have not been made?

PATSATDAT wrote:

fdreerf wrote:

Scratch is already good enough to make every project that has ever been made

what happens if we want to make projects that have not been made?

You make it, or if it's not possible, you don't use Scratch.

fdreerf wrote:

PkmnQ wrote:

fdreerf wrote:

dertermenter wrote:

Yes but to go with that scratch should also add some advanced features to make it easier for these advanced users.

The Scratch Team shouldn't focus on one specific community because they find it too hard to make things that are hard to make.

This isn't just advanced suggestions not being implemented. No suggestions are getting implemented.

14,000 users have posted on the forums at least twice. Suggestions users are a minority and in no means represents the site as a whole.

If everyone knew about the forums then I am sure most would want a great feature, unless that feature is hard to moderate, can create spam, or is not physically possible. Stuff like dark mode is none of these, so why will they not implement it?

fdreerf wrote:

No user except the Scratch Team should dictate what does and doesn't get implemented, and this suggestion is just “implement more suggestions”.

No, it is to rethink the mentality of ‘fewer features = better experience’ and to think less when it comes to suggestions. And is that a bad thing? More features the better.

fdreerf wrote:

Why should they?

To make peoples experience better. Is that self-explanatory?

fdreerf wrote:

Scratch is already good enough to make every project that has ever been made.

True, but it would be better if we have blocks that make it easier to make every project whilst you are still learning and not doing everything with 1 block.

fdreerf wrote:

Suggestions is a place to discuss “making improvements to the site”. Nowhere does it said that said improvements would ever get implemented.

Then what is the point of having the suggestions forum in the first place?

There is one feature that got accepted recently. Oh, wait, it's not a feature, it's just adding something to the filter.

This is probbably why Turbowarp is getting so popular, because it adds features, maybe not new blocks, but at least it adds editor features that people want and Scratch won't add.

dertermenter wrote:

fdreerf wrote:

No user except the Scratch Team should dictate what does and doesn't get implemented, and this suggestion is just “implement more suggestions”.

No, it is to rethink the mentality of ‘fewer features = better experience’ and to think less when it comes to suggestions. And is that a bad thing? More features the better.

That is completely false. Any UX designer with any background will tell you otherwise. Read this UX Collective article or this UX Myths article or this Gartner article or this UX Magazine article or this UX Matters article to know what I'm getting at.

dertermenter wrote:

Then what is the point of having the suggestions forum in the first place?

To suggest things, i.e. to mention something as an idea? There's nothing in the definition of “suggestion” that means “demand”.

dertermenter wrote:

To make peoples experience better. Is that self-explanatory?

If the Scratch Team were to implement one suggestion, they'd have to implement another. It'd only be fair if they had equal weight. So the developers add more and more until you get this and the user experience is dreadful, like what happened with Microsoft Office before 2010. Read any review of Microsoft Office 2003 or 2007 and you'll most likely get complaints of bloat, too many features, and awful memory usage.

fdreerf wrote:

If the Scratch Team were to implement one suggestion, they'd have to implement another..

What? No they wouldn't lol.

fdreerf wrote:

To suggest things, i.e. to mention something as an idea? There's nothing in the definition of “suggestion” that means “demand”.
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If nothing gets implemented there is no point of discussing our ideas in the first place.

-nevermind-

fdreerf wrote:

If the Scratch Team were to implement one suggestion, they'd have to implement another. It'd only be fair if they had equal weight.

Ah yes, because a suggestion about changing the capitalization of Account Settings is totally equal to a suggestion about custom reporters.

That is to say, try actually measuring the slope's angle this time.

dertermenter wrote:

fdreerf wrote:

If the Scratch Team were to implement one suggestion, they'd have to implement another..

What? No they wouldn't lol.

Yes, they would. If they added one very easy suggestion, there would be tons of complaints to add another easy suggestion as it shows that the Scratch Team is able to.

PkmnQ wrote:

Ah yes, because a suggestion about changing the capitalization of Account Settings is totally equal to a suggestion about custom reporters.

That is to say, try actually measuring the slope's angle this time.

I think you might want to get checked out for Huntington's disease. I never said that those two suggestions are equal. I said if two suggestions had equal weight in turns of implementation, which there are plenty of.

fdreerf wrote:

I think you might want to get checked out for Huntington's disease. I never said that those two suggestions are equal. I said if two suggestions had equal weight in turns of implementation, which there are plenty of.

Then we implement suggestions that are of generally greater weight than others.
Oh boy, why did I make this post. Now I'm going to get involved in this huge debate

gosoccerboy5 wrote:

fdreerf wrote:

I think you might want to get checked out for Huntington's disease. I never said that those two suggestions are equal. I said if two suggestions had equal weight in turns of implementation, which there are plenty of.

Then we implement suggestions that are of generally greater weight than others.
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I don’t have time atm to respond to fdreerf points that are not true but I will soon

fdreerf wrote:

PkmnQ wrote:

fdreerf wrote:

dertermenter wrote:

Yes but to go with that scratch should also add some advanced features to make it easier for these advanced users.

The Scratch Team shouldn't focus on one specific community because they find it too hard to make things that are hard to make.

This isn't just advanced suggestions not being implemented. No suggestions are getting implemented.

14,000 users have posted on the forums at least twice. Suggestions users are a minority and in no means represents the site as a whole. No user except the Scratch Team should dictate what does and doesn't get implemented, and this suggestion is just “implement more suggestions”. Why should they? Scratch is already good enough to make every project that has ever been made. Suggestions is a place to discuss “making improvements to the site”. Nowhere does it said that said improvements would ever get implemented.

Most of the community would probably also agree. You’re watching like forumers and Scratchers are completely different.

fdreerf wrote:

dertermenter wrote:

fdreerf wrote:

If the Scratch Team were to implement one suggestion, they'd have to implement another..

What? No they wouldn't lol.

Yes, they would. If they added one very easy suggestion, there would be tons of complaints to add another easy suggestion as it shows that the Scratch Team is able to

Completely disagree, people would just be happy they implemented something