In a lot of game engines, you can typically make multiple scenes for different parts of your game.

I was thinking we could have multiple different scenes (basically multiple projects in one) that can have their own set of sprites, code, stages and different variables.

To switch between different stages, it could be very simple. I'll also include an example of using different scenes too.

switch to scene [ v]

An example could be different levels in somebody game. For example:

when I receive [GameStart v]
switch to scene [Level 1 v]

As for variables. Currently in Scratch, you can set something to two different types of variable (not including Cloud):
For this sprite only and For all sprites
I think that underneath those two options, if you have more than one scene, two more options should appear:
For this scene only and, you guessed it, For all scenes

Got a feeling Scratch won't add this, but if they do it could be super useful for splitting up people's games into multiple sections instead of having all of their sprites and stages in one giant mess.

Cheers!

VERY Late Edit: I can't really be bothered to completely rewrite this, so I urge anyone browsing this discussion to please please PLEASE read all of the comments! This initial post isn't completely clear and me and some other Scratchers flesh it out later on down the line.

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Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:

Support! It would be very useful for making seperate worlds in a game to have different enemies and backdrops and such.

I figured it could be very useful for organising bigger games too.

Kind of reminds me of ScratchJr. I'm not sure if I support, because it seems kind of pointless to me (you can just use a variable), but it might make things slightly easier for new scratchers. So, semi-support.

DataLabGames wrote:

Kind of reminds me of ScratchJr. I'm not sure if I support, because it seems kind of pointless to me (you can just use a variable), but it might make things slightly easier for new scratchers. So, semi-support.

I have a feeling you don't fully understand my suggestion.
It's basically having loads of different scratch projects all in one big project, and each one can interact with each other.
You could have a scene called “Menu” with all of the sprites code and data for the main menu. Once you click something on the menu scene, it could initiate another scene. For example a map for a game. You could have a scene per level, and each level would have their very own sprites etc. It's basically hot swapping projects.

There is absolutely no way you can just “use a variable”.

bump…

Total support! This is not workaroundable for the most part, a complicated game could be almost impossible to pause start new scenes and resume others, not to mention that the code would become a total mess. This still needs design though, if anyone could make mockups of their ideas that would be great.

Here is a link to a mock-up I made…
It isn't that good, but I didn't really try that hard… I will probably work more on it later.

tell me what you think I could add or work on.

Is there like, a button to create a new scene in the editor?
No support, because this is too complex for Scratch's actual purpose, and this is easily workaroundable.
You can just change backdrops and hide buttons whenever you want to switch from the menu screen to the game itself.
So, no support.
I don't think many people need this feature.

--Explosion-- wrote:

Total support! This is not workaroundable for the most part, a complicated game could be almost impossible to pause start new scenes and resume others, not to mention that the code would become a total mess. This still needs design though, if anyone could make mockups of their ideas that would be great.

Why do you need to randomly pause scenes in the middle of whatever you're doing?
Also, simply broadcasting and making custom blocks that just switch the backdrops and hide/show sprites isn't that messy.

Support, but it is workaroundable

Use 1 backdrop per “scene”

Use:

when backdrop switches to [ v]

When my scene -> Run

and for all other scenes:
When another scene run.
Hide sprite
Stop all

Where do you write the code for the actual scenes? Any particular GUI or separate areas?

But—the current scene would just be a variable and you can already make those..

mlcreater wrote:

But—the current scene would just be a variable and you can already make those..

Variables contain data, and scenes, if I'm understanding it correctly, contain entire backdrops, sprites, and code.

Why not create a new type of projects, “projects groups”, witch use your idea ?

go to project [game v]

(variable::obsolete) // red for shared variables 

and

when project is opened::hat

instead of

when green flag clicked

thogether grouped in a new category in projects groups ?

Slipknife wrote:

In a lot of game engines, you can typically make multiple scenes for different parts of your game.

I was thinking we could have multiple different scenes (basically multiple projects in one) that can have their own set of sprites, code, stages and different variables.

To switch between different stages, it could be very simple. I'll also include an example of using different scenes too.

switch to scene [ v]

An example could be different levels in somebody game. For example:

when I receive [GameStart v]
switch to scene [Level 1 v]

As for variables. Currently in Scratch, you can set something to two different types of variable (not including Cloud):
For this sprite only and For all sprites
I think that underneath those two options, if you have more than one scene, two more options should appear:
For this scene only and, you guessed it, For all scenes

Got a feeling Scratch won't add this, but if they do it could be super useful for splitting up people's games into multiple sections instead of having all of their sprites and stages in one giant mess.

Cheers!

I support this! This would require modifications to the GUI however, and I don't know if the Scratch Team would be open to this.

By the way, this site has scenes (and other really good blocks). If you'd like to see how it would work, check it out! https://playentry.org/ws#

This could be a set of tabs at the top of the sprites/backdrops area:

ampara wrote:

*snip* If you'd like to see how it would work, check it out! https://playentry.org/ws#

This is exactly my idea!

timothpp10 wrote:

Why not create a new type of projects, “projects groups”, witch use your idea ?

go to project [game v]

(variable::obsolete) // red for shared variables 

and

when project is opened::hat

instead of

when green flag clicked

thogether grouped in a new category in projects groups ?

That seems a little more confusing than my idea, and doesn't really capture what Scratch is for.
Scenes are a much easier to use system, and they're pretty much a very simple way to clean up your project's code.

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