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Super_Scratch_Bros20
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Waiting Between Remixing and Sharing

Hey there! Please read the entire post, and leave constructive posts below.

So, I've seen MANY times where people just press “Remix”, then “Share”. What's even worse is when some of those projects get more popular than the original project. That's absurd, because they did no work, and they aren't using Scratch creatively. They're just mindlessly creating exact copies of projects.

I propose that we wait for a few minutes before being able to share remixes.

Why:

-Remixes, if being remade creatively, should take even longer than a few minutes, so if you're not making an exact copy of a project, this shouldn't be a problem at all.

-You can just sit around doing nothing for a few minutes and wait it out, sure, but you can also make changes to the project. You probably won't just sit there, you would be messing around with SOMETHING.

-If people tried to share a remixed project within a few minutes, a box can instead pop up, saying,
Sorry, you must wait a few minutes before sharing this remix. For more information, visit this forum
thread.
That Scratcher would then discover why, discover that copying is banned, and make changes.

Edit: I noticed that people with OC's only need a short amount of time to create OC remixes, so I think that just like the bad word detector, there should be a title detector that looks for keywords (e.g. art, OC, convert, add), and if that title detector finds these keywords, then you will have to wait a shorter amount of time, as opposed to any other remixes.

Edit 2: I have removed the support/semi-support/no support list. As I thought about it, I didn't find a reason to have it, because the Scratch Team only implements suggestions if it is useful, feasible, and helpful. The only reason to have a list would be to show off, which isn't what I was aiming at. I'll remove this before anyone gets me wrong.

I hope that makes sense. Please tell me whether you agree and WHY you agree/disagree, and how it can be improved!

Thanks for your view, Scratch!

Last edited by Super_Scratch_Bros20 (May 20, 2020 14:08:38)

allwoodaj
Scratcher
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Waiting Between Remixing and Sharing

Support. As you said, those who don't follow the rules will be redirected here, and those who do follow them will not have a problem, because their work takes longer than a few minutes.
Super_Scratch_Bros20
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Waiting Between Remixing and Sharing

allwoodaj wrote:

Support. As you said, those who don't follow the rules will be redirected here, and those who do follow them will not have a problem, because their work takes longer than a few minutes.
Thanks! 41 views, 1 reply.
xXRedTheCoderXx
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Waiting Between Remixing and Sharing

Support as well. I hate it when I see an unchanged remix.
R4356th
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1000+ posts

Waiting Between Remixing and Sharing

No support. What if remixing does not take much time for someone?
SpideyPlaysMC
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500+ posts

Waiting Between Remixing and Sharing

They might as well wait within those few minutes. Speaking of that, OP, how long will it take before you can remix a project? You didn't really state the specific amount of time.

Last edited by SpideyPlaysMC (April 12, 2020 14:12:02)

R4356th
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Waiting Between Remixing and Sharing

SpideyPlaysMC wrote:

OP, how long will it take before you can remix a project? You didn't really state the specific amount of time.
Good point, OP please clarify.
Super_Scratch_Bros20
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Waiting Between Remixing and Sharing

R4356th wrote:

SpideyPlaysMC wrote:

OP, how long will it take before you can remix a project? You didn't really state the specific amount of time.
Good point, OP please clarify.
I purposely left the amount of time unnamed because that's the decision of the Scratch Team. If you want to relate, think about, say, five to ten minutes. (That may not be the amount of time used.) If you're making a remix that's different from the original, and not a copy, then it should take probably longer than ten minutes, though, so anyone following the rules should be fine. It's just ensuring that you can't immediately press Remix, then Share.

If you think the time should be raised/lowered, please let me know.

Last edited by Super_Scratch_Bros20 (April 12, 2020 16:48:15)

R4356th
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Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

If you think the time should be raised/lowered, please let me know.
The time is much. It should be 45 seconds, in my opinion.
Super_Scratch_Bros20
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R4356th wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

If you think the time should be raised/lowered, please let me know.
The time is much. It should be 45 seconds, in my opinion.
A remix that is changed to be more creative should probably take longer than 45 seconds. Although, I do agree that the time is too much, now that I think about it. I think 5 minutes would be satisfactory, right?

Again, it's still the Scratch Team's decision, but I'm just giving you an example of about how much time you should have to wait so you can understand.

Last edited by Super_Scratch_Bros20 (April 12, 2020 17:25:10)

PrincessFlowerTV
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Considering the recent “Remix and i'll XXXXX your OC” trend, i'm sure lots of users would get annoyed if they had to wait for 45 seconds, or however long. Adding in your OC to these projects would take, at most, 30 seconds if they are just dragging the sprite out of their backpack.

Also, does the user have to be active in the editor, ro can they remix the project and do something in another tab to wait until the time is up?
Super_Scratch_Bros20
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PrincessFlowerTV wrote:

Considering the recent “Remix and i'll XXXXX your OC” trend, i'm sure lots of users would get annoyed if they had to wait for 45 seconds, or however long. Adding in your OC to these projects would take, at most, 30 seconds if they are just dragging the sprite out of their backpack.

Also, does the user have to be active in the editor, ro can they remix the project and do something in another tab to wait until the time is up?
They should be active in the editor for however long they need to wait. Sure, they could wait it out (which is a waste of time), but a notification that says,
Sorry, you must wait a few minutes before sharing this remix. For more information, visit this forum thread.
, I think if people know that copying projects is banned, then it should reduce the number of copied projects, knowing that they could be reported (or possibly blocked).
PrincessFlowerTV
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Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

Also, does the user have to be active in the editor, ro can they remix the project and do something in another tab to wait until the time is up?
They should be active in the editor for however long they need to wait. Sure, they could wait it out (which is a waste of time), but a notification that says,
Sorry, you must wait a few minutes before sharing this remix. For more information, visit this forum thread.
, I think if people know that copying projects is banned, then it should reduce the number of copied projects, knowing that they could be reported (or possibly blocked).
Okay, makes sense. However, you did not respond to my first paragraph, which is my main concern. Many “valid” remixes take under a few minutes to do.
Super_Scratch_Bros20
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PrincessFlowerTV wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

Also, does the user have to be active in the editor, ro can they remix the project and do something in another tab to wait until the time is up?
They should be active in the editor for however long they need to wait. Sure, they could wait it out (which is a waste of time), but a notification that says,
Sorry, you must wait a few minutes before sharing this remix. For more information, visit this forum thread.
, I think if people know that copying projects is banned, then it should reduce the number of copied projects, knowing that they could be reported (or possibly blocked).
Okay, makes sense. However, you did not respond to my first paragraph, which is my main concern. Many “valid” remixes take under a few minutes to do.
That's why Scratch will set the time to wait to about five minutes or so and then you could just add onto the project if you want.

As for having to wait 45 seconds, not all remixes are “Remix and i'll XXXXX your OC” remixes, so if it was about forty-five seconds, then you could just view the project for a brief period of time, then press share, as opposed to more time to wait. As I've said, it's the Scratch Team's decision on how long to wait, not mine, but I'm trying to give you the idea of why it can't be 45 seconds.

Last edited by Super_Scratch_Bros20 (April 12, 2020 17:52:08)

KittyFireSt0rm
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This is an interesting one, I can't exactly say support or no support, but I'm in between on this one, I like the idea, but I'm not so sure how it would be implemented, and for DTAs/OTAs/Etc, quite a few people ARE NOT active in the scratch editor as they make their art outside of scratch (myself included) and I think 5-10 minutes is a bit much
Super_Scratch_Bros20
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KittyFireSt0rm wrote:

This is an interesting one, I can't exactly say support or no support, but I'm in between on this one, I like the idea, but I'm not so sure how it would be implemented, and for DTAs/OTAs/Etc, quite a few people ARE NOT active in the scratch editor as they make their art outside of scratch (myself included) and I think 5-10 minutes is a bit much
I'd probably change it to 5 minutes, if it was my own decision. However, as I've said, this is not my decision; this is solely the decision of the Scratch Team. I only said 5-10 minutes so that I could give you an idea of what it would be like, before lowering it to just 5 minutes. 5 minutes sounds like a pretty decent amount of time.

Also, thank you for your view.

Last edited by Super_Scratch_Bros20 (April 13, 2020 13:57:16)

ThatOneWeirdDude
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I think the time should be chosen by the creator

What if its an “Add your OC doing ____” or an “Ill convert your OC to _____”?

Most users have their OCS backpacked, so its easy for them to make the game.

Otherwise, support!

remixes often get more views than the original, even when they didnt change anything!

Last edited by ThatOneWeirdDude (April 13, 2020 13:59:52)

KittyFireSt0rm
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Waiting Between Remixing and Sharing

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

KittyFireSt0rm wrote:

This is an interesting one, I can't exactly say support or no support, but I'm in between on this one, I like the idea, but I'm not so sure how it would be implemented, and for DTAs/OTAs/Etc, quite a few people ARE NOT active in the scratch editor as they make their art outside of scratch (myself included) and I think 5-10 minutes is a bit much
I'd probably change it to 5 minutes, if it was my own decision. However, as I've said, this is not my decision; this is solely the decision of the Scratch Team. I only said 5-10 minutes so that I could give you an idea of what it would be like, before lowering it to just 5 minutes. 5 minutes sounds like a pretty decent amount of time.

Also, thank you for your view.

You're Welcome!! Just don't forget the people who do most of their art/animation outside of scratch because quite a few of us remix DTAs and MAPs but do art outside, so just consider our perspective
Super_Scratch_Bros20
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All right, new idea. Scratch may be able to detect keywords (the following are just examples) (e.g. art, convert, add, OC, etc.), and if Scratch detects these keywords in the title, then it should take about 1 minute to share that remix. Otherwise, it will take 5 minutes. Agree?

Last edited by Super_Scratch_Bros20 (April 13, 2020 14:06:53)

ThatOneWeirdDude
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Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

All right, new idea. Scratch may be able to detect keywords (the following are just examples) (e.g. art, convert, add, OC, etc.), and if Scratch detects these keywords in the title, then it should take about 1 minute to share that remix. Otherwise, it will take 5 minutes. Agree?
Support for this new idea ^.^

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