Discuss Scratch

Bacteria999
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A strange but good idea

In Scratch 1.x, there was no online editor. Scratch was just a project player and a project uploader. Instead of remixes, there were downloads. People were editing the codes directly on the computer. I think it would be better, it seems much more professional and interesting to create projects on the computer and send them to the site than having everything ready and automated. I know almost no online programming tool (except Construct, but in my opinion, Construct is not programming).

It seems a bit useless, and in a way it is, but it would be more professional not to have the editor built into the site.
WindOctahedron
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A strange but good idea

I use Linux, and there is no offline 3.0 editor for Linux yet. I don't want to use a different OS just because there's no online editor.
(Sorry for sounding egoistic and stubborn, but there are other people who use Linux.)

Last edited by WindOctahedron (April 10, 2020 18:38:19)

Bacteria999
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A strange but good idea

Scratch 1.4. editor is available for download in Ubuntu/Debian, but is fully understandable.
WindOctahedron
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A strange but good idea

Bacteria999 wrote:

Scratch 1.4. editor is available for download in Ubuntu/Debian, but is fully understandable.
It has less features than 3.0 (like custom blocks), and I've heard that it's hard to upload projects from 1.4 to 3.0.

By the way, what will happen to all the projects in “My stuff”, but not on my computer? Will they all be deleted, or saved on my computer?
The problem with the second one is that some people may not have enough memory on their computer to store all of their projects.

Last edited by WindOctahedron (April 10, 2020 14:07:30)

xXRedTheCoderXx
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A strange but good idea

No Support. I really don't see a reason for this. It can be confusing for new Scratchers, force Scratchers to waste their device's memory, etc. I also don't see how this would make the site more “professional.” And, even if it did make the site more “professional,” why would a website for kids and teenagers need to be professional? There are also kids who use Scratch in school or on a school computer, and it's likely they aren't allowed to download anything on that computer.

One last thing, I really don't want the online editor to go away. It's so convenient!
Bacteria999
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A strange but good idea

The projects continued at My Stuff. When you finished programming and testing a project, you wouldn't send it directly to the site, but to My Stuff. And right after that you could delete it.
xXRedTheCoderXx
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A strange but good idea

Bacteria999 wrote:

The projects continued at My Stuff. When you finished programming and testing a project, you wouldn't send it directly to the site, but to My Stuff. And right after that you could delete it.
Still takes up memory to download the editor, and what if you have no memory on your computer to make projects or view any? Sure you can delete some things, but you shouldn't have to do that to be able to be a Scratcher.

Edit: Also, what about all the other problems I said?

Last edited by xXRedTheCoderXx (April 10, 2020 14:31:19)

imfh
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A strange but good idea

Are you aware that there is already an offline editor for Scratch 3? If you want to edit on your computer, you can just use that. There isn't an direct upload button yet, however. I see no reason to remove the online editor and force people to use the offline editor instead, if that is what you are suggesting. Using the offline editor is simply not practical for some people, especially in schools where the teachers might have to get the parents to install Scratch on their home computers.

https://scratch-mit-edu.ezproxyberklee.flo.org/download
xXRedTheCoderXx
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A strange but good idea

imfh wrote:

Are you aware that there is already an offline editor for Scratch 3? If you want to edit on your computer, you can just use that. There isn't an direct upload button yet, however. I see no reason to remove the online editor and force people to use the offline editor instead, if that is what you are suggesting. Using the offline editor is simply not practical for some people, especially in schools where the teachers might have to get the parents to install Scratch on their home computers.

https://scratch-mit-edu.ezproxyberklee.flo.org/download
Exactly. Thank you.
BUCKCLUCKFROMROBLOX
Scratcher
32 posts

A strange but good idea

i dont agree, this can waste memory Storage And More. it will be harder to work on scratch, and 3.0 does not have an offline editor for most Computer types yet.
LegoManiac04
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A strange but good idea

Bacteria999 wrote:

Scratch 1.4. editor is available for download in Ubuntu/Debian, but is fully understandable.
What about the people, such as myself, that don't use Ubuntu/Debian but use another Linux Distro? All of the mobile users? All the Chromebook users that don't have Playstore access? And simply, what about all the people that don't want to use an eleven-year-old software program?

Really, there's no reason for Scratch to be “more professional”, and I feel have this would be extremely frustrating for many users, as it would become a process to upload their projects to the website, and their OS may not be supported. I also think that this day and age, this is a step in the wrong direction, as a lot of software is becoming available online.
It also would be a lot of work for the ST to make Scratch compatible on all operating systems.

Last edited by LegoManiac04 (April 10, 2020 18:09:41)

Paddle2See
Scratch Team
1000+ posts

A strange but good idea

Bacteria999 wrote:

In Scratch 1.x, there was no online editor. Scratch was just a project player and a project uploader. Instead of remixes, there were downloads. People were editing the codes directly on the computer. I think it would be better, it seems much more professional and interesting to create projects on the computer and send them to the site than having everything ready and automated. I know almost no online programming tool (except Construct, but in my opinion, Construct is not programming).

It seems a bit useless, and in a way it is, but it would be more professional not to have the editor built into the site.
Nope, sorry. We aren't aiming for professional on Scratch. We are aiming for accessible and easy to learn - we want Scratchers to be able to dive in and start building things right away and share them easily. That was one of the big drivers to bringing the Scratch editor online - and it brought a lot of new people to Scratch.

The offline editor is still available (on many platforms) for those that want to deal with Scratch files.

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