List all rules on one page.

miniepicness

Sometimes, the ST decides on new rules and doesn't update the Community Guidelines. Some rules that aren't listed on the Community Guidelines are:

many of the rules on the Terms of Use

no sharing how to “summon” (replying to somebody without hitting the reply button on their comment)

no sharing how to reply without an @mention before your comment (summoning with slight difference)

no sharing scratch extensions

no telling people to use off-site messaging platforms

possibly more

It would be very helpful if the ST listed all rules on a single page.

Epicness123

Support. I've seen a lot of cases of people getting into trouble with the ST for reasons that were never listed on the Community Guidelines.

Za-Chary

(nothing is permanent)

Last edited by Za-Chary (Aug. 12, 2021 13:11:43)

miniepicness

Za-Chary wrote:
Semi-support.

The Community Guidelines are designed to be a short, concise list of general rules that users should follow. No one is going to read the entire Terms of Use, for instance, even though it contains important information.

I think “no telling people to use off-site messaging platforms” is a good thing to add to the Community Guidelines. Not many users share Scratch extensions, though, and so there isn't really a need to add that.

I have never even heard of “summoning”, and this makes me think that if this were added to some sort of rule page, then more people would see it and become curious on how to do it. If it were not added to a rule page, less people would know about it, I would think.

Maybe list it on a separate page titled ‘all rules’?

Za-Chary

miniepicness wrote:
Maybe list it on a separate page titled ‘all rules’?

I suppose that would be better; but how many rules would this be? How specific would this be?

Suppose for the moment that “cat”, “dog”, and “fish” were bad words that should not be said on Scratch. Maybe one of the rules of your list could be “No commenting bad words on the website.” However, some users could argue that this is too vague. What is a “bad word”? What if there is a word that isn't bad for me but is bad to others?

In that case, maybe one would consider adding to the list “No commenting ‘cat’, ‘dog’, or ‘fish’ on the website.” But this obviously wouldn't work because then anyone could just see a list of bad words.

This same problem exists even as of now. It actually says in the Community Guidelines that you shouldn't give out “links to social media sites or websites with unmoderated chat.” Yet you claim that it doesn't, and the Scratch Team should add “no telling people to use off-site messaging platforms” to a list of rules (when, in fact, they already did).

My point is that rules can always be interpreted differently, or even just missed. Someone could get banned for impersonating a Scratcher, then claim that “I didn't know it was in the Community Guidelines.” (And, in fact, it is in the Community Guidelines.)

Just earlier today I saw a forum post explaining that saying someone is a bully shouldn't be against the rules, if it's true that they are a bully. I would still consider that to be against the rules, though. Anyone could interpret the rules differently from what's written. “Don't be mean” is too general, of course. But “Don't call someone a bully” is too specific, and leaves out the possibility of the rule “Don't call someone an idiot.”

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Community Guidelines does a fine job itself, although maybe one or two things could be added.

Last edited by Za-Chary (July 19, 2022 02:53:15)

miniepicness

Za-Chary wrote:
This same problem exists even as of now. It actually says in the Community Guidelines that you shouldn't give out “links to social media sites or websites with unmoderated chat.” Yet you claim that it doesn't, and the Scratch Team should add “no telling people to use off-site messaging platforms” to a list of rules (when, in fact, they already did).

I got in trouble for just telling somebody to get on a chat program. No links.

Edit:

Za-Chary wrote:
miniepicness wrote:
Maybe list it on a separate page titled ‘all rules’?
I suppose that would be better; but how many rules would this be? How specific would this be?

It'd list all the rules. One of them could be “obey the Terms of Use” so you guys dont have to list all the terms of use. It doesn't have to be very specific, just specific enough to understand.

Last edited by miniepicness (June 11, 2019 01:27:39)

dertermenter

I think a rules page separate from the guidelines is a great idea, as people may want to know all rules on the site, including the specific ones. I like that the community guidelines would still be here too.

Reev0102

Support, many users have gotten banned for breaking rules they weren't aware of, such as the Browser Extension/Userscript Policy. If there were such a page, users would be aware of all the rules. Maybe call it something like “Rules and policies?”

DinoMaster20

Large support. I still don't know all the guidelines and rules.

dhuls

Duplicate.

Reev0102

dhuls wrote:
Duplicate.

Incorrect. The suggestion you linked suggests putting all the rules in the Community Guidelines, while this one suggests creating a new page for all the rules.

Last edited by Reev0102 (Aug. 12, 2021 13:33:42)

han614698

Reev0102 wrote:
dhuls wrote:
Duplicate.
Incorrect. This suggests creating a new page with all the rules and policies, while that one suggests adding all of them to the CG's.

Uh no? The title literally says “put all rules into the community guidelines”

mybearworld

miniepicness wrote:
many of the rules on the Terms of Use

That's what the ToS is for. You agree to it if you make an account.

miniepicness wrote:
no sharing how to “summon” (replying to somebody without hitting the reply button on their comment)
no sharing how to reply without an @mention before your comment (summoning with slight difference)

I agree to this one. It's so weird that these are disallowed, despite not breaking any of the ToS'/CG's rules.

miniepicness wrote:
no sharing scratch extensions

I think the “Be safe” section implies this rule already, though I agree that this has to be made much clearer. “Do not share anything about potentially unsafe programs”, or something along these lines.

miniepicness wrote:
no telling people to use off-site messaging platforms

linearlemur

I think adding every single rule would make the community guidelines very long, thus discouraging New Scratchers from reading it.

ScolderCreations

linearlemur wrote:
I think adding every single rule would make the community guidelines very long, thus discouraging New Scratchers from reading it.

wrong topic.

Reev0102

linearlemur wrote:
I think adding every single rule would make the community guidelines very long, thus discouraging New Scratchers from reading it.

Again, this topic is suggesting a new page with every rule, not putting every rule into the CG's.

linearlemur

Reev0102 wrote:
linearlemur wrote:
I think adding every single rule would make the community guidelines very long, thus discouraging New Scratchers from reading it.
Again, this topic is suggesting a new page with every rule, not putting every rule into the CG's.

Oh, okay.

miniepicness

mybearworld wrote:

You can easily get in trouble for telling someone to use a chat website without linking it at all - that doesn't look like it's in the rules. I know that one is a stretch, but there are things that get people alerts that are nowhere near being listed (I have a friend who got an alert for making a joke remix of a project)

Reev0102

bump

Reev0102

Reev0102 wrote:
bump

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