I want a much higher clone limit. I need the extra clones for a fully-functional multiplayer Terraria project.

How it would help:
People could make bigger games with less sprites
People could make tile-based games that can zoom out A LOT
People could make huge multiplayer tile-based games like the one mentioned above
AND MORE! (I am sure people could find other uses for more clones.)

And didn't Lightnin say this:

Lightnin wrote:

If Scratch was a room, it would have a low floor, wide walls, and a high ceiling.

* Low floor: It should be easy to climb in and get started with Scratch - even for Scratchers who have no experience programming.

* Wide walls: Scratchers should be able to make all kinds of things with Scratch - not just animations and games, but news programs, science experiments - things we can't even imagine.

* High Ceiling: Even though it's easy for someone who is new to programming to get started with Scratch, it should still be possible to make complex stuff.

How it might hurt:
People could clone so fast and make the clones do so many things really quickly that it would crash all computers (save supercomputers)
People could crash THEIR OWN COMPUTERS and lose progress on projects
And I am sure that people could find other harmful things to do with it (I can't think of any more off the top of my head)

Post and state your opinion!

Supporters:

1. xlk
   
2. Blueinkproductions
   
3. VoltageGames
   
4. MeDiaMond
   

Unsupporters:

1. Firedrake969
   

Maybe….

I don't know if I support. The limit is there because of the things you can do with high amounts of clones.

And actually, the projects you wanted to make are perfectly possible.
I have made a tile scroller with 131 more tiles than the clone limit. It is kind of slow, but there is probably a way to speed it up.

I also have made this project which runs relatively fast and can make something like 420 clones at once (it could make infinite if I deleted the script that deleted the clones that reached the edge)

So I really don't know.

AonymousGuy wrote:

And actually, the projects you wanted to make are perfectly possible.

No they aren't. Not with background walls, monsters, and tiles all out at once. Plus, if you had built a really dense fortress with walls, it would get awfully close to the limit.

braxbroscratcher wrote:

No they aren't. Not with background walls, monsters, and tiles all out at once. Plus, if you had built a really dense fortress with walls, it would get awfully close to the limit.

And there's some things that you couldn't do even if the clone limit was something like 10,000. However, with 300 clones, (or 301), you can do quite a lot. As long as you only make your screen something like 12 x 16 tiles, 301 clones will work. And then you will have 109 clones left to spawn in animals and stuff.

For games that use clones as tiles, they have to load a world stored in a list. Otherwise it would be impossible no matter how high the clone limit was.

AonymousGuy wrote:

For games that use clones as tiles, they have to load a world stored in a list. Otherwise it would be impossible no matter how high the clone limit was.

Not necessarily. The world could be made from a cloud variable or generated each startup.

AonymousGuy wrote:

12 x 16

I plan to make it 20 x 25 or so. And that leaves 50 clones for monsters and stuff. That won't be enough for a swarm of little monsters with some other monsters running around.

braxbroscratcher wrote:

AonymousGuy wrote:

For games that use clones as tiles, they have to load a world stored in a list. Otherwise it would be impossible no matter how high the clone limit was.

Not necessarily. The world could be made from a cloud variable or generated each startup.

But I see your point. The world must be created with something telling it where to put stuff.

can't you use stamping for terraria?

VoltageGames wrote:

can't you use stamping for terraria?

Nope. Won't scroll. You need to use clones for each tile telling it to delete when “mined.”

braxbroscratcher wrote:

VoltageGames wrote:

can't you use stamping for terraria?

Nope. Won't scroll. You need to use clones for each tile telling it to delete when “mined.”

The enemies also wouldn't move.

B.U.M.P.

Support. Maybe a configurable clone limit?

xlk wrote:

Support. Maybe a configurable clone limit?

Naw. Just a higher one. 500, perhaps?

braxbroscratcher wrote:

xlk wrote:

Support. Maybe a configurable clone limit?

Naw. Just a higher one. 500, perhaps?

ok, 300 clone limit, shift clicking options would show a menu for setting it.

xlk wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

xlk wrote:

Support. Maybe a configurable clone limit?

Naw. Just a higher one. 500, perhaps?

ok, 300 clone limit, shift clicking options would show a menu for setting it.

No. Then someone would obviously set it to a ridiculous number like 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 for the limit. It would crash all computers if they maxed it out.

braxbroscratcher wrote:

500, perhaps?

braxbroscratcher wrote:

I plan to make it 20 x 25 or so. And that leaves 50 clones for monsters and stuff. That won't be enough for a swarm of little monsters with some other monsters running around.

500 gives you an exact grid of 20x25. No monsters running around there.

1000 gives you 500 monsters. But what if you want more? You can't do anything.

Any number will have a limit, unless said number doesn't exist and you can have infinite clones.

AonymousGuy wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

500, perhaps?

braxbroscratcher wrote:

I plan to make it 20 x 25 or so. And that leaves 50 clones for monsters and stuff. That won't be enough for a swarm of little monsters with some other monsters running around.

500 gives you an exact grid of 20x25. No monsters running around there.

1000 gives you 500 monsters. But what if you want more? You can't do anything.

Any number will have a limit, unless said number doesn't exist and you can have infinite clones.

Ok. Let's try 750!

Way to work around: Use 1s1s techniques, but have all 300 clones do multiple jobs.

We shouldn't raise to just suit someone's needs Sooner or later, if it's raised to 750, someone will need 1000. Then 1250, 1500, etc. There will always be reasons for requiring more…

Firedrake969 wrote:

We shouldn't raise to just suit someone's needs Sooner or later, if it's raised to 750, someone will need 1000. Then 1250, 1500, etc. There will always be reasons for requiring more…

My thoughts exactly.

750 - you can only have 250 monsters.

What if someone wants 500?

There really is no reason to raise the limit unless it is removed.

Firedrake969 wrote:

We shouldn't raise to just suit someone's needs Sooner or later, if it's raised to 750, someone will need 1000. Then 1250, 1500, etc. There will always be reasons for requiring more…

Oh! How about this: The limit is raised to 750, and then if someone needs more, there is a “file a request for more clones” button that you could use to increase the limit for one project.