Block & Report System

Super_Scratch_Bros20

If a comment was block reported for no reason, and it just turns out to be a comment that follows the Community Guidelines, would the user who made the comment still be blocked?

Would a user know if they are blocked?

Where would they be blocked? Comments, studios, forums, projects, EVERYWHERE? What if they made the studio? Who would the owner appear as? What if the user made a constructive post, but the OP can't see it, and all the users are wondering why you are ignoring them? What if you like a user's project, but you'll never be able to see who made it?

Is there a way to unblock someone? For instance, what if you accidentally block your favorite Scratcher?

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Za-Chary

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
If a comment was block reported for no reason, and it just turns out to be a comment that follows the Community Guidelines, would the user who made the comment still be blocked?

This isn't “blocked” in the usual Scratch sense — here, if you “block” someone, it just means that you personally cannot see any comments or projects they make.

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
Would a user know if they are blocked?

No.

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
Where would they be blocked? Comments, studios, forums, projects, EVERYWHERE? What if they made the studio? Who would the owner appear as?

Just comments and projects, I would assume. Maybe just comments.

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
What if the user made a constructive post, but the OP can't see it, and all the users are wondering why you are ignoring them?

I suppose the same goes for any comment, but this is just the caveat of blocking someone.

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
What if you like a user's project, but you'll never be able to see who made it?

I don't know why you would block someone and then view their projects. I don't think links to their profile should be blocked, just comments and maybe projects.

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
Is there a way to unblock someone? For instance, what if you accidentally block your favorite Scratcher?

Of course.

Super_Scratch_Bros20

Za-Chary wrote:
I don't know why you would block someone and then view their projects. I don't think links to their profile should be blocked, just comments and maybe projects.

For instance, I'm dealing with such a situation. There is a user who keeps spamming me, but makes pretty good games. How would we get around THAT situation?

Last edited by Super_Scratch_Bros20 (Nov. 16, 2020 16:07:02)

GachaN0nsense

Support, I would see users getting chainmail using this feature. However, I don't think it would stop the user from creating a new account and continue harassing them.

Za-Chary

GachaN0nsense wrote:
Support, I would see users getting chainmail using this feature. However, I don't think it would stop the user from creating a new account and continue harassing them.

The thing is, though, that they are not notified if you choose to block them. So they could just think you're ignoring them.

p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-

There's one big issue, this could be easily abused. If this was to be implemented, a scratcher could block every follower they have, and then every comment would be reported. This would overwhelm moderators, and give them way too many reports. Maybe if the user can only block a user based on a comment, and the filter bot would have to find a word that could have the potential to be offensive, such as hate, stop, annoying, greedy, selfish etc. Those aren't offensive all the time, but can be used offensively. Of course, this could still be abused, but would make it much harder. Alternatively, you could make it so that a user can only block 3 users every hour, but that would be more loose. Unless these are implemented, no-support.

Za-Chary

p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p- wrote:
There's one big issue, this could be easily abused. If this was to be implemented, a scratcher could block every follower they have, and then every comment would be reported. This would overwhelm moderators, and give them way too many reports. Maybe if the user can only block a user based on a comment, and the filter bot would have to find a word that could have the potential to be offensive, such as hate, stop, annoying, greedy, selfish etc. Those aren't offensive all the time, but can be used offensively. Of course, this could still be abused, but would make it much harder. Alternatively, you could make it so that a user can only block 3 users every hour, but that would be more loose. Unless these are implemented, no-support.

This is like saying the Report button should not have been implemented because someone could just report everyone. As long as we make it clear that every block also generates a report, this shouldn't be an issue.

Super_Scratch_Bros20

Za-Chary wrote:
Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
If a comment was block reported for no reason, and it just turns out to be a comment that follows the Community Guidelines, would the user who made the comment still be blocked?
This isn't “blocked” in the usual Scratch sense — here, if you “block” someone, it just means that you personally cannot see any comments or projects they make.

I understood what you meant by that. What I'm saying is this: If someone did a false report (except it was a false block report) for no reason, and the Scratch Team knows it was just an attempt to block someone that the person who reported didn't like, will the user that falsely got block reported receive an un-block?

Za-Chary

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
I understood what you meant by that. What I'm saying is this: If someone did a false report (except it was a false block report) for no reason, and the Scratch Team knows it was just an attempt to block someone that the person who reported didn't like, will the user that falsely got block reported receive an un-block?

Good question. I'm not really sure. I would assume that we might send an alert for false-reporting (if necessary — admittedly we don't do that often) but not unblock the user out of respect for the user who wants them blocked.

jbthepig

Support! I think the benefits far outweigh the risks.

Super_Scratch_Bros20

jbthepig wrote:
Support! I think the benefits far outweigh the risks.

It's not about the benefits' quantity; it's about its factors. Even the smallest little factors open up new possibilities to risk, and get rejected.

I'm not saying that it's not a good idea. In fact, I love it. However, I want to make sure our priorities in our supports are in order.

p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-

Za-Chary wrote:
p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p- wrote:
There's one big issue, this could be easily abused. If this was to be implemented, a scratcher could block every follower they have, and then every comment would be reported. This would overwhelm moderators, and give them way too many reports. Maybe if the user can only block a user based on a comment, and the filter bot would have to find a word that could have the potential to be offensive, such as hate, stop, annoying, greedy, selfish etc. Those aren't offensive all the time, but can be used offensively. Of course, this could still be abused, but would make it much harder. Alternatively, you could make it so that a user can only block 3 users every hour, but that would be more loose. Unless these are implemented, no-support.
This is like saying the Report button should not have been implemented because someone could just report everyone. As long as we make it clear that every block also generates a report, this shouldn't be an issue.

This makes it much easier to report people, just one click of a button could literally make infinite reports since the other user might keep on posting, since they think that the user is ignoring them, which would frustrate them.
Also, how would you inform every user? The only way I can think of is a message appearing saying it, which might be something worth adding on the OP.

Last edited by p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p- (Nov. 17, 2020 18:55:38)

Za-Chary

p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p- wrote:
This makes it much easier to report people, just one click of a button could literally make infinite reports since the other user might keep on posting, since they think that the user is ignoring them, which would frustrate them.

The block-report system would only send a report for the one comment which you click “Block & Report” on. It doesn't send us a report for every single comment made after the user was blocked. So if you decide to block one user, then only one report for that user would be sent.

Super_Scratch_Bros20

I get the feeling that this will oftentimes get abused just so that they can block people they don't like, even if they did nothing wrong. As a result, the Scratch Team loses lots of time, and it all goes down the drain and wasted.

That's not to say I don't like the idea of block-reporting. It sounds nice. It's the user's actions with the system that I'm more concerned about.

turtlegunner95

Za-Chary wrote:
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I personally completely support this idea. It solves all of the problems the Scratch Team seems to have about normal blocking, while also still having the option to normally report or delete a comment. However, speaking of deleting comments, deleting comments also buries the problem instead of reporting them. I do see why it could turn out extremely badly as well, but all of the reasons here are fair to me.

Last edited by Za-Chary (Nov. 21, 2020 16:55:27)

TechKid22

Semi-support since there are reasons it won`t work.

Za-Chary

TechKid22 wrote:
Semi-support since there are reasons it won`t work.

Such as…?

TechKid22

Za-Chary wrote:
TechKid22 wrote:
Semi-support since there are reasons it won`t work.
Such as…?

You wrote them.

Trying to be as kind as possible.

Mr_Code101

No support. These problems with block/reporting are bigger than the problems it solves. Also, @Za-Chary and others make really good points at the end of page one

Za-Chary wrote:
imfh wrote:
The problem with this is that even if you can't see the blocked comments, other people can. If you can't see the comments, you can't delete or report them. Any criticism or whatever is left for everyone but you to see. Completely blocking a user from commenting on anything of yours would lead to problems too as that would make it easy to find out if you were blocked with an alternate account.
Are you referring to how you won't be able to report comments made after blocking the user?

That's a really good point. I'm not sure what the block-report system could do to counteract that.

and on top of those problems, we have abusing.

Last edited by Mr_Code101 (Nov. 29, 2020 01:35:47)

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