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red_king_cyclops
Scratcher
500+ posts

Remove cloud variables

Cloud variables are nice features, but they are not as useful as they used to be. Here are the restrictions set in place for using cloud variables:
  • Cloud variables are only available to online full-Scratchers.
  • Cloud variables can only store digits 0 to 9, and possibly the ‘-’ and ‘.’ characters.
  • Cloud variables are limited to a length of 128 characters at maximum.
  • Projects can have only 10 cloud variables at most.
With all these restrictions put in place, what is the point of even having cloud variables any more? Also, Cloud variables are not very good for education, since they do not teach databases very well.
ShinigamiBlacky
Scratcher
100+ posts

Remove cloud variables

red_king_cyclops wrote:

With all these restrictions put in place, what is the point of even having cloud variables any more
Multiplayer and high scores :D
The Scartch team should make them better insted of removing them

Last edited by ShinigamiBlacky (Aug. 24, 2018 17:01:18)

LuckyLucky7
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove cloud variables

Semi-support but instead of removing them:
  • They could be available to New Scratchers
  • They could have a limit of 50 letters/numbers
  • They could support all supported Scratch letters, symbols, numbers, etc.
  • Projects could have 20 cloud variables at most

Last edited by LuckyLucky7 (Aug. 24, 2018 17:05:42)

TheAdriCoolManDude
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove cloud variables

What do you mean? It is good enough. I don't think any cloud variable would need 128 digits or letters in it. I do not think you'll need 10 cloud variables either.
TheRealNetherBefore
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove cloud variables

No support. Scratch is an educational site, and despite the limitations on cloud variables they're quite useful for younger users learning to code as, despite them being basic, they give younger users an idea of how people can interact with the code they're running. I think the solution to the restrictions on could variables and the issues they're causing would be to improve them, not to remove them entirely.

Last edited by TheRealNetherBefore (Aug. 24, 2018 18:22:03)

space_elephant
Scratcher
500+ posts

Remove cloud variables

No support cloud variables are the only way to connect between different clients on a project they should be made better
  • cloud variables should be able to store ASCII strings of any length (or at least up to 16 384 characters)
  • the 10 variables is already not a hard limit
you can add more than 10 variables:
first get nine cloud variables
then press make a variable button twice
click the cloud checkbox on both
name the variables
and click OK on both
Dan-The-Squid
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove cloud variables

No support, they might be limited but they're still useful for things such as high scores
FutureBlack16
Scratcher
76 posts

Remove cloud variables

While cloud variables are very restrictive, it's still useful for highscore and other stuff.

I believe the reasons why cloud variables character limit went down to 128 is because of easy-to-use cloud list engines projects. This resulted a lot of multiplayers projects to be broken, but however, the positive effect is that it reduce the possibility of chat room projects heavily.
zorket
Scratcher
500+ posts

Remove cloud variables

It would be unwise to remove cloud variables, as it would break millions of projects that already use them.

Also, it is possible to encode lists into numbers and store them in the cloud. It is harder to do this, which greatly reduces the potential for spam.
VideoGamerCanInvent
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove cloud variables

No Support- Cloud variables are extremely useful for setting game high scores and multiplayer games.
JoshCode09
Scratcher
7 posts

Remove cloud variables

red_king_cyclops wrote:

Cloud variables are not very good for education, since they do not teach databases very well.
@red_king_cyclops Just don't use them…
lolhi74
Scratcher
6 posts

Remove cloud variables

why did the clud varibles even get removed?
define why they removed the cloud varible
ScratchCatHELLO
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove cloud variables

lolhi74 wrote:

why did the clud varibles even get removed?
define why they removed the cloud varible
They didn't
lolhi74
Scratcher
6 posts

Remove cloud variables

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

lolhi74 wrote:

why did the clud varibles even get removed?
define why they removed the cloud varible
They didn't
then why cant i have one in my projects
lolhi74
Scratcher
6 posts

Remove cloud variables

can people tell me why i cant have a cloud varible in my projects? I just want to make a leaderboard
ScratchCatHELLO
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove cloud variables

lolhi74 wrote:

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

lolhi74 wrote:

why did the clud varibles even get removed?
define why they removed the cloud varible
They didn't
then why cant i have one in my projects
New scratchers cannot use cloud variables. This is because cloud variables are saved on the scratch server, and letting everyone use them would waste space. (I think)
lolhi74
Scratcher
6 posts

Remove cloud variables

wait i found out you have to post in a chat 100 times……

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

lolhi74 wrote:

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

lolhi74 wrote:

why did the clud varibles even get removed?
define why they removed the cloud varible
They didn't
then why cant i have one in my projects
New scratchers cannot use cloud variables. This is because cloud variables are saved on the scratch server, and letting everyone use them would waste space. (I think)
oh ok i just figured it out you have to post something in a chat 100 times whoops, and also i have so many projects. over 70 and i have been with scratch for i think 3 years

Last edited by lolhi74 (June 4, 2020 22:19:40)

Nintendo_YT
New Scratcher
1 post

Remove cloud variables

so new users cant use cloud variables? That sucks.
HTML-Fan
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove cloud variables

Something that also makes cloud variables useless is that forkphorus doesn't supports them so you can only use them for simple projects that can run fast on scratch. For example my pen project (uploaded with my alternative account): https://scratch-mit-edu.ezproxyberklee.flo.org/projects/407639455 It has (at least on my PC) an awful input lag without forkphorus.
But that's forkphorus' problem.

Last edited by HTML-Fan (June 27, 2020 15:59:27)

HTML-Fan
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove cloud variables

I wanted to use a highscore with a cloud variable (the only thing you can do with them).

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