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Minecratch_project
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

READ ALL THE TEXT

(Please stop blaming of ‘'democrace’' ‘'is not about only votes’' will try to search a form to fix that)

Description
I see how in all post all put ‘'Support’' ‘'Semi-support’' and ‘'No support’' it became a tradition use that word to give our feel of the sugesstion.
But I want to return this tradition something real, i want to have 3 buttons, a green button, yellow and red (Support, semisupport and no support) on all posts, and the user can press the button according to his thinking of the post.

The post needs to pass trough 3 phases

Phase 1 ‘'What users think’'
When the post get public, the users starts to getting in, the user can press some of the 3 buttons when somone enter, the no support button gives -1 points to the fourm, the semi-support button gives -0.5 points and the support button gives 1 point, the fourm get 5 months open to reach the goal (100 points) if the fourm dont get 100 points when the 5 months ended, the fourm gets close

Phase 2 ‘'What scratch team think’'
If the post gets 100 points when the 5 months ended, scratch team recives a e-mail of the post, and 3-5 days later, it's gets reviewed by scratch team, if the post has 100-130 points, it needs the total support from scratch team, if the fourm has more than 130 points, it needs at least semi-support from scratch team to be aproved

Phase 3 ‘'Development’'
If the fourm wins the phase 2, it gets the final phase, scratch team launch the suggested thing in scratch by 1 month, if the ST dont get problems with the block in that month, the block gets approved 100%

¿Why i do this?
I see how much popular posts dont gets the ST review, and only like 3 or 4 suggestions have been aprobed by scratch team, i do this for incrase that number and have more stability at the time to suggest features to scratch



Thanks for learning ALL the text

Last edited by Minecratch_project (July 14, 2016 00:28:27)

Minecratch_project
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

bump ( I want to be in the top )
Oh help 60 seconds rule attacks!
WooHooBoy
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1000+ posts

Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

The point isn't really the numbers, but the points people bring across on *why* these suggestions are good or bad.
Zro716
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1000+ posts

Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

Scratch is not a democracy. Votes don't matter. Strong reasons do.
Minecratch_project
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100+ posts

Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

That why the Phase 2 needs ST approvation
pinkieofthepies
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500+ posts

Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

i dont feel any of the point things should exist! just the buttons, and on the bottom of the post its says the numbers for each
Sheep_maker
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

I think we should just get rid of support, no support, semi support, and indifferent and just get out the reasons and “discuss” (aka the button you probably clicked on to get here). Green, yellow, and red doesn't really fit Scratch's blue-and-grey color scheme. Phase 1 is encouraging unconstructive “discussion” which is against the CG's. Phase 2 and 3 is a bit confusing because the ST is already working on a bunch of stuff so it will take a really long time for all those suggestions to be implemented. And I don't think they'd add the block here, they'd probably add it to Scratch 3.0
NanoRook
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

No support. It's canonical to every forum and removing it would make no sense.

Minecratch_project wrote:

That why the Phase 2 needs ST approval

Still a democracy.

24691357
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

Minecratch_project wrote:

The no support button gives -1 points to the fourm, the semi-support button gives -0.5 points and the support button gives 1 point.
Why such asymmetry?
https://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP2570213a58a93a3h97dc00003b2cag8hha5d1fe5?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=49
I feel that Scratch should count the number of users who pressed any button and count the supports as 1 point, half supports as 0.5 and no supports as 0, and show the number of points compared with number of people, then perhaps calculate the percentage..

For the buttons in general, support.

Last edited by 24691357 (July 13, 2016 06:35:02)

TheLibrary-BranchC
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

How come? You don't need votes. Also with these buttons how will they give a reason?

Sincerely, @TheLibrary-BranchC
Sheep_maker
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

24691357 wrote:

Minecratch_project wrote:

The no support button gives -1 points to the fourm, the semi-support button gives -0.5 points and the support button gives 1 point.
Why such asymmetry?
https://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP2570213a58a93a3h97dc00003b2cag8hha5d1fe5?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=49
I feel that Scratch should count the number of users who pressed any button and count the supports as 1 point, half supports as 0.5 and no supports as 0, and show the number of points compared with number of people, then perhaps calculate the percentage..

For the buttons in general, support.
Or get rid of the semi-support button and discuss over whether or not part of a suggestion shouldn't be included instead, just like what we are doing right now.
-raspberry_
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Support. I hardly ever see the ST comment on a suggestion.

Last edited by -raspberry_ (July 13, 2016 09:26:45)

Sheep_maker
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JakeCarroll wrote:

Support. I hardly ever see the ST comment on a suggestion.
Because they are busy…?
jokebookservice1
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

No support for phases 2 and 3. The ST must be sure the suggestion is good enough. I cannot find the quote, but I remember an ST saying that votes don't matter, it's whether the suggestion is useful or not.

Your section 4 states that you want more suggestions to be implemented, but maybe users want these features, but not need it, like this one.

No support
LP_Play
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

Supported.
Minecratch_project
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

Sheep_maker wrote:

I think we should just get rid of support, no support, semi support, and indifferent and just get out the reasons and “discuss” (aka the button you probably clicked on to get here). Green, yellow, and red doesn't really fit Scratch's blue-and-grey color scheme. Phase 1 is encouraging unconstructive “discussion” which is against the CG's. Phase 2 and 3 is a bit confusing because the ST is already working on a bunch of stuff so it will take a really long time for all those suggestions to be implemented. And I don't think they'd add the block here, they'd probably add it to Scratch 3.0

Well maybe we can use that too

LP_Play wrote:

Supported.

Thanks!

JakeCarroll wrote:

Support. I hardly ever see the ST comment on a suggestion.

That why im actually doing this

NanoRook wrote:

No support. It's canonical to every forum and removing it would make no sense.


canonical? what are you saying?

Minecratch_project
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

24691357 wrote:

Minecratch_project wrote:

The no support button gives -1 points to the fourm, the semi-support button gives -0.5 points and the support button gives 1 point.
Why such asymmetry?
https://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP2570213a58a93a3h97dc00003b2cag8hha5d1fe5?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=49
I feel that Scratch should count the number of users who pressed any button and count the supports as 1 point, half supports as 0.5 and no supports as 0, and show the number of points compared with number of people, then perhaps calculate the percentage..

For the buttons in general, support.

Well i dont know, is a suggestion after all, we can do some changes to the suggestion, whatever, thanks for the support!
Minecratch_project
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

Omg guys is happening a lot of things by here i cant see all the comments
Minecratch_project
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

bump
bigpuppy
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Add REAL support & no support buttons (5 supporters)

No support. You should give a reason why, it's not all about points and all that.

-bigpuppy

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