My Main View Point-

RANDOMIZE the order of favorite projects! this way the message will not be completed. We can still favorite them for humor, but not for that being the ONLY projects (the message wont work.).




Many scratchers, (myself included), recently switched from favoriting projects… to putting this message there with a few projects spelling it out.

When I first heard of it, I thought it was a GREAT idea! I eagerly put it on my profile.

But this is seriously preventing users from favoriting!
They are favoriting for humor, but then not favoriting anything more for fear of interrupting the message.


The solution



Randomize projects order (for viewers)
have other options

NOTE:
I am not saying we ban/disencourage/other** these projects because they have minimal effort and get lots of attention, but they are taking it away from others!

** We could simply mix up the favorite projects to prevent messages from being made. people can still favorite them.

ALSO- I am NOT blaming this for a lack of attention on my projects! It makes MINIMAL difference! However it doesn't feel like it is good for scratch!


The facts!
-Each (there is more than one) of these projects get over 500 favorites (more favorites than loves! If people liked there humor, they would only love, not to mention favoriting in the correct order.)
-0.0075 to 0.025 users are not favoriting (of users that logged on sometime in past year). This may not seem like a lot but it is for the following reason.
-favorites are how good projects spread around the site! So more favorites equals less underviewed scratchers.
-May be considered humor, however with 0.0075 to 0.025 % of users not favoriting projects. Do we draw the line on what seems harmless? "these projects get over 500 favorites
-More fame= more fame! Favorites can spread the word! Anti favoriting can be spread! changing that number from 0.025 to 1 then from 1 to 10!
-We can't force people to favorite projects, but these projects definitely attract attention and spread the word!




Please comment!*








* Please, if you are writing “No support” take the time to explain why!

theory_ wrote:

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:

Well, now I am going to have to take advantage of the thumbnail glitch to make these.
Support to discourage these projects.
No support to ban these projects.
No support to randomize all the favorites.
Support to randomize the favorites within each row.
This would work because, if they really want that, they can just use one project with an animated thumbnail. That shows that they put some time and effort to make them, and fixes the problem of using 5 projects.

I agree with you too!

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EDITS-

I understand this isn't a huge deal.

I understand you could just not favorite, but this “spreads the word” about not favoriting. I, only do it for a cool profile look, and preventing this may create more favorites per project!

I don't quite understand, what message did youand others start putting, and where, on your About Me, your featured project, or all of your projects? Sorry, but I don't understand.

jokebookservice1 wrote:

I don't quite understand, what message did youand others start putting, and where, on your About Me, your featured project, or all of your projects? Sorry, but I don't understand.

It's ok, I'll put an image to make it clearer for others!
and, if you look at my profile, you can see in the favorite projects section, thank you for commenting!

How would you prevent these projects? Surely new ones will pop up all the time? Or would these types of projects be reported?

jokebookservice1 wrote:

How would you prevent these projects? Surely new ones will pop up all the time? Or would these types of projects be reported?

They would be reported, and posiblly banned from being favorited.

No support, it is only hard to get a fvourite if you choose not to favourite, and that is the same as not favouritin anything. It is just as hard to get a favourite if that message is there as if it is not, and the message follows the community guidelines.

Sorry

No Support. They might revove the message, but they still won't favorite projects.

It's their decision. No support.

no support

It's silly in the first place. If you choose to do things like that,

Eh, no support.
As annoying as it is, it is their decision, and you can't just go all BANHAMMER because you don't like it.

No support. It just adds a bit more fun to Scratch, and isn't actually harming anyone. Why take away that?

The only point of favoriting is to say, “I like this, and I would like to see it again.” So, if they like it, and they want to see again, they'll bookmark it, or put it in a studio. It's their decision, no support.

Poor infy.
I think they should be discouraged and instead people could just not favorite anything (like I do). They aren't allowed to be banned because they don't break the community guidelines, but discouraging will do.

No support. Besides, even if we ban the projects, people can still refrain from favoriting. We can't force people to favorite projects.

Faving is like bookmarking. I myself don't favorite much, or at all, really, even though I haven't used the “message” projects in question. However, I do love almost everything I find, which I think is much nicer. Favoriting just doesn't mean anything special to me; it serves a specific purpose, which is often misused at that.

I don't see the harm in this.

The message these segmented-message projects convey is “I don't favorite projects” - yet you have to favorite them anyways. To me, that blatant self-contradiction is just for milking attention. I can understand that if you only favorite those projects, then you clearly say that you don't favorite any other project(s). However, I still think this is a wasted investment because simply not favoriting anything, even the aforementioned projects, causes the row to display “User hasn't favorited any projects” which supplements the same message. You can also simply say in your About Me that you don't favorite projects. Two alternatives, simple and straightforward. Why would anyone go through so much effort of favoriting 5 projects just to convey a 4-word sentence that revokes that effort?

If that wasn't aggravating enough, the creators of those segmented-message projects are the only ones benefiting in this anti-favoritism culture. While they are pushing an agenda that puts forth a message against favoritism, they are the ones who receive the favorites, which is again a loathsome contradiction to their cause.

Is it creative? Absolutely. I think it's transformative to arrange the thumbnails of projects on a webpage that completes a larger picture or message. But while I like the general idea of utilizing the juxtaposition of projects to form a single image, I do not like the conveyance of “I don't favorite projects”, “I don't love projects”, or any similar message on those projects. These are in disarray with the facilities of those projects, i.e. the love/favorite buttons, so it would be like holding up a sign that says “I hate signs” - while it has comedic effect, it downplays the seriousness of your message.

What does this all suggest about these projects and their existence? Well first, it's hard to draw the line between what is humor and what is honesty. Everyone draws it somewhere different. In the context of the projects at hand, they exhibit humor by suggesting you should do the exact opposite of what you are against - favoriting projects. If you are serious about it, then just don't do it! However, without naming-and-shaming, there are users who in fact take this seriously. If it is taken seriously, then it is damaging to Scratch culture. With less people using the favorite button regularly, there are less opportunities to spread a project virally across the site (i.e. when it appears on someone's profile after favoriting so that more people view it). The counter-culture would thus be a burden to Scratch because it reduces the chances of receiving permanent, long-term recognition.

My verdict: they shouldn't be allowed. If these projects are just for humor, then the minimal effort and massive attention they receive does not justify their existence. If these projects have a serious message to them, then it is self-contradictory and damaging to Scratch culture.

Zro716 wrote:

The message these segmented-message projects convey is “I don't favorite projects” - yet you have to favorite them anyways. To me, that blatant self-contradiction is just for milking attention. I can understand that if you only favorite those projects, then you clearly say that you don't favorite any other project(s). However, I still think this is a wasted investment because simply not favoriting anything, even the aforementioned projects, causes the row to display “User hasn't favorited any projects” which supplements the same message. You can also simply say in your About Me that you don't favorite projects. Two alternatives, simple and straightforward. Why would anyone go through so much effort of favoriting 5 projects just to convey a 4-word sentence that revokes that effort?

If that wasn't aggravating enough, the creators of those segmented-message projects are the only ones benefiting in this anti-favoritism culture. While they are pushing an agenda that puts forth a message against favoritism, they are the ones who receive the favorites, which is again a loathsome contradiction to their cause.

Is it creative? Absolutely. I think it's transformative to arrange the thumbnails of projects on a webpage that completes a larger picture or message. But while I like the general idea of utilizing the juxtaposition of projects to form a single image, I do not like the conveyance of “I don't favorite projects”, “I don't love projects”, or any similar message on those projects. These are in disarray with the facilities of those projects, i.e. the love/favorite buttons, so it would be like holding up a sign that says “I hate signs” - while it has comedic effect, it downplays the seriousness of your message.

What does this all suggest about these projects and their existence? Well first, it's hard to draw the line between what is humor and what is honesty. Everyone draws it somewhere different. In the context of the projects at hand, they exhibit humor by suggesting you should do the exact opposite of what you are against - favoriting projects. If you are serious about it, then just don't do it! However, without naming-and-shaming, there are users who in fact take this seriously. If it is taken seriously, then it is damaging to Scratch culture. With less people using the favorite button regularly, there are less opportunities to spread a project virally across the site (i.e. when it appears on someone's profile after favoriting so that more people view it). The counter-culture would thus be a burden to Scratch because it reduces the chances of receiving permanent, long-term recognition.

My verdict: they shouldn't be allowed. If these projects are just for humor, then the minimal effort and massive attention they receive does not justify their existence. If these projects have a serious message to them, then it is self-contradictory and damaging to Scratch culture.

Support as per this supercalifragilisticexpialidocious essay. You know, you should probably show this to your LA teacher. You might get a few bonus marks.

theory_ wrote:

** Please, if you are writing "Now support" take the time to explain why!

you mean “No support”

savaka wrote:

theory_ wrote:

** Please, if you are writing "Now support" take the time to explain why!

you mean “No support”

Thank you so much!

1. This is a relatively new trend that I have not seen until now, and most people on Scratch are still favoriting projects.
2. I noticed you have the projects of another Scratcher to create the segment message. If people choose to all just favorite that person's projects to create the message, we really cannot do anything about it. It's like banning love and favorite detectors that trick you into loving the project, or just joke projects in general (until, at least, someone starts complaining about the joke projects…)
3. Isn't it a bit hypocritical to have the segment message on your profile while advocating its removal? (No offense, just wondering )
4. It says "I don't usually favorite projects". Usually does not mean all the time, so you could still be seriously meaning that you don't usually favorite projects, but not that you never favorite projects.

The only thing wrong that I see about this is that it can get annoying if it gets out of hand - and that's not going to happen anytime soon.

I'm not going to pass a verdict yet though.