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- ChildCritic
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
Basically what's above. Scratch is not about fame.
If a scratcher were to look at someone's project and see a lot of loves, he would either be motivated, or disappointed with themselves for not hitting that benchmark (There, better?) We do not need people leaving Scratch because they are not famous.
Disclaimer: This does not affect the “Remixes” section on the project page.
Disclaimer 2: This does not delete the “What the community is loving” section on the home page, just removes the love count.
Thank you, SheepTester for saying what i was going to say 100 times over.
If a scratcher were to look at someone's project and see a lot of loves, he would either be motivated, or disappointed with themselves for not hitting that benchmark (There, better?) We do not need people leaving Scratch because they are not famous.
Disclaimer: This does not affect the “Remixes” section on the project page.
Disclaimer 2: This does not delete the “What the community is loving” section on the home page, just removes the love count.
Thank you, SheepTester for saying what i was going to say 100 times over.
No support. How are you able to know how good a project is without just mindlessly clicking on random projects, hoping you find a good one? Also,You do not simply judge a project by its numbers. You judge a project by its content.No support as per ChocolatePi and Zro716
btw support, though because I like statistics, this link should still return the number of loves and favorites as a hidden feature.
Last edited by ChildCritic (March 27, 2016 13:56:55)
- CosmicHamster
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
Support. I can't think of any reasons why someone else would want to know how many loves or faves a project that they didn't create has. If they do want to know for whatever reason, they can just ask the Scratcher who made it.
- VoltageGames
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
But the projects still got to the top-loved. it's not just the love count.
'my project never gets loved!' will become
'my project never gets toploved, like so-and-so who gets a new top love every single project he makes!'
obviously if someone leaves because they're not famous, they don't care about programming and are just here to use it as social media. let's not put the social-media-ers prioritized above the programmers.
'my project never gets loved!' will become
'my project never gets toploved, like so-and-so who gets a new top love every single project he makes!'
obviously if someone leaves because they're not famous, they don't care about programming and are just here to use it as social media. let's not put the social-media-ers prioritized above the programmers.
- DaSpudLord
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
But the projects still got to the top-loved. it's not just the love count.^^^
'my project never gets loved!' will become
'my project never gets toploved, like so-and-so who gets a new top love every single project he makes!'
obviously if someone leaves because they're not famous, they don't care about programming and are just here to use it as social media. let's not put the social-media-ers prioritized above the programmers.
Plus, the love and fave counts make it easier to tell if a project is good or not.
- ChildCritic
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
Plus, the love and fave counts make it easier to tell if a project is good or not.Just because nobody likes a project, does not mean that it is not a bad project.
But the projects still got to the top-loved. it's not just the love count.*Raises eyebrow*
'my project never gets loved!' will become
'my project never gets toploved, like so-and-so who gets a new top love every single project he makes!'
obviously if someone leaves because they're not famous, they don't care about programming and are just here to use it as social media. let's not put the social-media-ers prioritized above the programmers.
- OmnipotentPotato
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
You're saying that showing the amount of loves on a project makes Scratchers quit because it makes them realise they aren't popular. Pretty much making the “scratch isn't about fame” argument which is kinda invalid:
What I would like is a way to disable love/faves on your own projects similar to the comment locking function.
obviously if someone leaves because they're not famous, they don't care about programming and are just here to use it as social media. let's not put the social-media-ers prioritized above the programmers.And tbh this suggestion would literally do nothing you are suggesting. You'd have to remove followers, comments, remixes, and pretty much the entire fp leaving you with no interaction among users. Scratch is a programming site not social media, but you gotta draw the line somewhere and zero interaction isn't a very good one amirite.
What I would like is a way to disable love/faves on your own projects similar to the comment locking function.
- ChildCritic
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
You're saying that showing the amount of loves on a project makes Scratchers quit because it makes them realise they aren't popular. Pretty much making the “scratch isn't about fame” argument which is kinda invalid:You misunderstand. Followers is not related to the topic, and already hidden away. Comments and remixes are constructive.obviously if someone leaves because they're not famous, they don't care about programming and are just here to use it as social media. let's not put the social-media-ers prioritized above the programmers.And tbh this suggestion would literally do nothing you are suggesting. You'd have to remove followers, comments, remixes, and pretty much the entire fp leaving you with no interaction among users. Scratch is a programming site not social media, but you gotta draw the line somewhere and zero interaction isn't a very good one amirite.
What I would like is a way to disable love/faves on your own projects similar to the comment locking function.
Loves and faves are not.
- KingOfAwesome58219
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
No support. I hope you realize how much the idea of loves and favorites are built into the community. Taking that away would not help anyone, and wouldn't help with this fame “issue.” Why does it matter to you that someone else wants to know if people like their project?
- Owl-in-an-Oak
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
You misunderstand. Followers is not related to the topic, and already hidden away. Comments and remixes are constructive.Followers are related to the topic, and they aren't hidden away. If anything, followers are more revealing than loves or faves. You can see who followed the user, unlike with hearts and faves.
Loves and faves are not.
No support. Scratch is “Imagine, Program, Share”. It may not be about fame, but it's nice to get some admiration and be acknowledged.
- powershack
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
I get scratch isn't about fame 
I get that too, I don't want to be famous. But without fame, scxratch isn't scratch. And removing the count just kinda ruins the point of the love it and favourite system- their there to help show you love to the project, and help others know if this prject is great or not.
No support.
why are there so many suggestions about fame btw
I get that too, I don't want to be famous. But without fame, scxratch isn't scratch. And removing the count just kinda ruins the point of the love it and favourite system- their there to help show you love to the project, and help others know if this prject is great or not.No support.
why are there so many suggestions about fame btw
- OmnipotentPotato
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
why are there so many suggestions about fame btwgoooooooood question
(speaking of which this is prob a repost)
- Zro716
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
I lose a little faith in the forum community every time someone plays the “Scratch is not about fame” card. It's been so overused and hardly has merit anymore. Instead of clinching to a vague argument, let's actually think about the pros and cons of a suggestion, please.
From my perspective, there is no real problem caused by the love/fave counts aside from minor spam like “100th love!”. But then, if no one except the creator could see how many loves and faves a project had, a lot of comments would probably be like “why is this top loved? It has no love its! I'm confused?????” and it would take a lot of explaining about their removal (look back at how long it took to tell everyone about the restrictions on FNAF).
Back when the ST removed the follower/following counts, I had mixed feelings. Sometimes I was happy to see them removed for eliminating people's follower cravings, but other times I was annoyed that the update did not do justice. For instance, it didn't remove the follower count on the follower webpage which was easily accessible. What perplexed me the most about that update was the removal of the comment count - nowadays I'm having difficulty judging how many comments I have on my profile to know when to clean up.
It's not a surprise some folks feel that anything fame-related means it generates bad feelings for some. Well what do you expect, a trophy for participation? People are gonna feel bad because they set their expectations too high, and they can't live up to it. That makes our mission more about leveraging expectations than exempting everyone from recognition.
Now onto the topic at hand: would hiding loves and faves from others really solve this issue, or is there something else we can do? In my opinion, hiding stuff doesn't work. It just annoys people. It makes them work a little harder to know what was hidden. Can you imagine my stress when I have to reply to a dozen or so people every day asking “how many loves does this have now”? In this sense, it is better to have the stats public.
From my perspective, there is no real problem caused by the love/fave counts aside from minor spam like “100th love!”. But then, if no one except the creator could see how many loves and faves a project had, a lot of comments would probably be like “why is this top loved? It has no love its! I'm confused?????” and it would take a lot of explaining about their removal (look back at how long it took to tell everyone about the restrictions on FNAF).
Back when the ST removed the follower/following counts, I had mixed feelings. Sometimes I was happy to see them removed for eliminating people's follower cravings, but other times I was annoyed that the update did not do justice. For instance, it didn't remove the follower count on the follower webpage which was easily accessible. What perplexed me the most about that update was the removal of the comment count - nowadays I'm having difficulty judging how many comments I have on my profile to know when to clean up.
It's not a surprise some folks feel that anything fame-related means it generates bad feelings for some. Well what do you expect, a trophy for participation? People are gonna feel bad because they set their expectations too high, and they can't live up to it. That makes our mission more about leveraging expectations than exempting everyone from recognition.
Now onto the topic at hand: would hiding loves and faves from others really solve this issue, or is there something else we can do? In my opinion, hiding stuff doesn't work. It just annoys people. It makes them work a little harder to know what was hidden. Can you imagine my stress when I have to reply to a dozen or so people every day asking “how many loves does this have now”? In this sense, it is better to have the stats public.
- OmnipotentPotato
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
I lose a little faith in the forum community every time someone plays the “Scratch is not about fame” card. It's been so overused and hardly has merit anymore. Instead of clinching to a vague argument, let's actually think about the pros and cons of a suggestion, please.https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CUn3yKRUYAAhnHL.mp4
From my perspective, there is no real problem caused by the love/fave counts aside from minor spam like “100th love!”. But then, if no one except the creator could see how many loves and faves a project had, a lot of comments would probably be like “why is this top loved? It has no love its! I'm confused?????” and it would take a lot of explaining about their removal (look back at how long it took to tell everyone about the restrictions on FNAF).
Back when the ST removed the follower/following counts, I had mixed feelings. Sometimes I was happy to see them removed for eliminating people's follower cravings, but other times I was annoyed that the update did not do justice. For instance, it didn't remove the follower count on the follower webpage which was easily accessible. What perplexed me the most about that update was the removal of the comment count - nowadays I'm having difficulty judging how many comments I have on my profile to know when to clean up.
It's not a surprise some folks feel that anything fame-related means it generates bad feelings for some. Well what do you expect, a trophy for participation? People are gonna feel bad because they set their expectations too high, and they can't live up to it. That makes our mission more about leveraging expectations than exempting everyone from recognition.
Now onto the topic at hand: would hiding loves and faves from others really solve this issue, or is there something else we can do? In my opinion, hiding stuff doesn't work. It just annoys people. It makes them work a little harder to know what was hidden. Can you imagine my stress when I have to reply to a dozen or so people every day asking “how many loves does this have now”? In this sense, it is better to have the stats public.
- Mrcomputer1
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Scratcher
500+ posts
Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
No Support
- Prinseskat
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
If you can't see the number of love its on a project, you have no good way to estimate how popular the project is. How do you want curated and featured projects to be suggested then? For all you know someone could want griffpatch's project to be curated, and neither the suggester or curator would know any better. I guess the ST would be able to see the amounts, for featuring projects, but that'd cause a big amount of projects being suggested to be featured that don't even meet the criteria. In fact, what would the point of featuring/curating even be, then?
- ChildCritic
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
Now onto the topic at hand: would hiding loves and faves from others really solve this issue, or is there something else we can do? In my opinion, hiding stuff doesn't work. It just annoys people. It makes them work a little harder to know what was hidden. Can you imagine my stress when I have to reply to a dozen or so people every day asking “how many loves does this have now”? In this sense, it is better to have the stats public.I have no idea what you are saying.What makes you have to reply?
No SupportPlease do not color-code your posts. It makes it hit a little more than when someone just says “no support” and leaves it at that.
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Last edited by ChildCritic (Jan. 12, 2016 13:22:33)
- ChocolatePi
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
NO SUPPORT
SCRATCH IS NOT ABOUT FAME
SCRATCH IS NOT ABOUT FAME
- ChildCritic
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Scratcher
500+ posts
Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
NO SUPPORTThat's like, tearing me in half.
SCRATCH IS NOT ABOUT FAME
The two statements contradict each other so much that I can not comprehend your point.
- ChocolatePi
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Scratcher
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Just kidding.
You can't remove some aspect of Scratch just because it makes people “depressed”. What we need to do about depression is convince people to make better projects, not remove the thing that makes them depressed.
We should also remove the forums since they make people say things, which can make them, oh no, depressed!
EDIT: Just to clarify:
I said that post that I made above to make a point. People use the cliche phrase “Scratch is not about fame” to justify just about anything they think up, which is not to say this is a bad idea. It just needs work. Maybe display love counts like “100+” or “1000+”?
You can't remove some aspect of Scratch just because it makes people “depressed”. What we need to do about depression is convince people to make better projects, not remove the thing that makes them depressed.
We should also remove the forums since they make people say things, which can make them, oh no, depressed!
EDIT: Just to clarify:
I said that post that I made above to make a point. People use the cliche phrase “Scratch is not about fame” to justify just about anything they think up, which is not to say this is a bad idea. It just needs work. Maybe display love counts like “100+” or “1000+”?
Last edited by ChocolatePi (Jan. 12, 2016 13:26:46)
- Vienradze
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Scratcher
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Hide Love and fave Counts for people who did not create the project
Sorry, I don't agree. Do you want know why?
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