There should be a section on a scratcher's profile that shows their statistics

clucklesman

Hello! For the last couple of month's, I've had it where at the end of each month I would add up all my views on all my released projects and post that number on my profile. It got me thinking about how it would be cool if there was a section in every scratcher's profile where it showed that players stats. This would be things like overall number of views, favorites, loves, etc. I think this could be very useful to many scratchers to quickly be able to see how their doing. Of course, I don't know if the website is set up for being able to do all of this, so this may not even be possible. If it is though, that would be very cool. Thank you for considering!

ChildCritic

Scratch is not about fame. If you want stats, do it yourself.
No support.

Sheep_tester

I like statistics. I like numbers in general. I see a lot of problems in this, but why not give it a try? Support.

powershack

Support, if you are able to enable and disable showing your stats. Just make it a small little thing at the bottom of the page, maybe like a bar, with just a basic overview of total views, loves, and favorites.

ChildCritic wrote:
Scratch is not about fame. If you want stats, do it yourself.
No support.

Having the stats up just show that your projects stats- it's like looking at the project's number of loves ahead of time. Not much difference, either way the user will figure out if the scratcher is popular or not.

KingOfAwesome58219

ChildCritic wrote:
Scratch is not about fame.

Ok, I'm kind of tired of this kind of stuff.
No scratch isn't technically about “fame” but what's the harm in seeing how many combined views you have?
You can't do that yourself because it views, love-its, and favorites can change often, and just about every time you got a message you'd have to go and recount.
Well I'm on it, here's my rant on all this fame stuff.

AE studios are fine. All they are is a just a studio that has a goal. And they might “spam up your studios on a project” but nobody actually goes and thinks, “wow this project is in The Elite Studio,” how cool. In fact, the only reason you'd want that is to get more fame, so you just played yourself!
You can remove your project from the studio if you like, that's not hard.
And AAE are just stupid. Like really, you're going to use the entire idea of AE to create a campaign against AE? All your doing is ruining all the reasons you don't like AEs in the first place.

F4Fs are fine. You can choose to not accept them, nobodies going to force you to do that, and they are aren't annoying. If you are campaigning against them, then you are once again saying that scratch is about fame because you don't want un-authentic followers. A follow for follow is a request for friendship in many cases.
And then there are anti-F4F, which, like AAEs, are worse then the original problem. All you're doing is making drama out of someone elses business. Does it really matter that other people are not receiving authentic followers because they support F4F? How does this affect you at all?
Just move on and stop causing drama on a website for 8-year-olds.
That's literally like creating an anti-mosquito studio because they are annoying and some people live with them.

Back to this whole idea of fame: Sure the theme of scratch is not gain as many followers as you can, but having many followers tells you that you have accomplished something. Being known by many people is a reasonable goal, and I see no reason why it's frowned upon (unless you aren't using scratch for it's purpose at ALL). Seeing your number of followers is absolutely fine, as well as your views. Its an accomplishment and a convenience, not a way to check if you are famous.
There you go, and stop spouting “scratch isn't about fame” everywhere and take a moment to think about it.

In case you didn't figure it out, I fully support. Maybe it could be a drop down next to the profile basic stats (rank, name, etc.) that you could click and would link to a stats page or bring something up on the page.

Last edited by KingOfAwesome58219 (Jan. 5, 2016 05:40:55)

ChildCritic

KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:
AE studios are fine. All they are is a just a studio that has a goal. And they might “spam up your studios on a project” but nobody actually goes and thinks, “wow this project is in The Elite Studio,” how cool. In fact, the only reason you'd want that is to get more fame, so you just played yourself!
You can remove your project from the studio if you like, that's not hard.
And AAE are just stupid. Like really, you're going to use the entire idea of AE to create a campaign against AE? All your doing is ruining all the reasons you don't like AEs in the first place.

I have two main problems with AE. 1: they fulfill the entire purpose of the “Explore section,” (although that needs some updates), and 2: They have no main theme. Actually, people do think that. A common misconception about AEs is that they make you famous. As much as I can say I agree, I can't. By your logic, campaigning against bullying is “stupid.”

KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:
F4Fs are fine. You can choose to not accept them, nobodies going to force you to do that, and they are aren't annoying. If you are campaigning against them, then you are once again saying that scratch is about fame because you don't want un-authentic followers. A follow for follow is a request for friendship in many cases.
And then there are anti-F4F, which, like AAEs, are worse then the original problem. All you're doing is making drama out of someone elses business. Does it really matter that other people are not receiving authentic followers because they support F4F? How does this affect you at all?
Just move on and stop causing drama on a website for 8-year-olds.
That's literally like creating an anti-mosquito studio because they are annoying and some people live with them.

I once again disagree, wanting to agree. I don't want unauthentic followers, but just because you have a lot of friends, does not mean you are famous.Those of us who campaign against it believe that, as you stated, “unauthentic” followers are not proper.
I disagree with the comparison. Mosquitoes are much more annoying than F4F or AE.

KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:
Back to this whole idea of fame: Sure the theme of scratch is not gain as many followers as you can, but having many followers tells you that you have accomplished something. Being known by many people is a reasonable goal, and I see no reason why it's frowned upon (unless you aren't using scratch for it's purpose at ALL). Seeing your number of followers is absolutely fine, as well as your views. Its an accomplishment and a convenience, not a way to check if you are famous.
There you go, and stop spouting “scratch isn't about fame” everywhere and take a moment to think about it.

Kaj? Seriously, Fame is not always good. I understand your point, but just because it's a reasonable goal, does not mean it's the purpose.I have taken a moment to think about it and your points have done nothing to sway me. F4F and AE are only slightly related to fame.

And I give one last point.
It's okay to see how a single project is doing, because it is constructive. Your entire collection? That's looking for fame.
I stand by my reasons, and maintain my status. No support.

Last edited by ChildCritic (Jan. 5, 2016 17:55:41)

DaSpudLord

No support as per ChildCritic. This will just encourage users bragging about their stats even more as they can get a sum of all of their stats in one place easily.

KingOfAwesome58219

ChildCritic wrote:
some stuff

Im not going quote you because I don't want to make a long post.
First off, I'm going to point out that you have some debatably legitmate reasons for hating all this.
Also, I didn't call you an 8-year-old, I said this site is designed for 8-year-olds. Scratch is designed for kids. Nobody needs nor wants this AE/AAE/F4F/AF4F arguments because you are arguing with 8 year olds!

My main problem with your post is that you instantly assumed the OP was out for fame. All of you anti-this and anti-that have gone to far and have now just moved onto falsely accusing people. There's nothing wrong with seeing your stats.
Once again, I'm not for using scratch as a way to acquire fame. But is knowing how many people have viewed all your projects such a big deal? Or is whoever wants this just a greedy person who doesn't care about anything other than how many people have seen his projects. After all, what is the point of sharing? So you can see that people are enjoying something that you created!
If scratch was truly not about any sort of recognition, it wouldn't be a website. Go to github if you want feedback.

DaSpudLord wrote:
No support as per ChildCritic. This will just encourage users bragging about their stats even more as they can get a sum of all of their stats in one place easily.

You guys all say this, but I've never seen anyone brag about their number of followers or views. Anyone has gotten to a point at which they could “brag” are humble enough that they know that's just stupid,

Last edited by KingOfAwesome58219 (Jan. 5, 2016 17:17:52)

ChildCritic

KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:
ChildCritic wrote:
some stuff
Im not going quote you because I don't want to make a long post.
First off, I'm going to point out that you have some debatably legitmate reasons for hating all this.
Also, I didn't call you an 8-year-old, I said this site is designed for 8-year-olds. Scratch is designed for kids. Nobody needs nor wants this AE/AAE/F4F/AF4F arguments because you are arguing with 8 year olds!

My main problem with your post is that you instantly assumed the OP was out for fame. All of you anti-this and anti-that have gone to far and have now just moved onto falsely accusing people. There's nothing wrong with seeing your stats.
Once again, I'm not for using scratch as a way to acquire fame. But is knowing how many people have viewed all your projects such a big deal? Or is whoever wants this just a greedy person who doesn't care about anything other than how many people have seen his projects. After all, what is the point of sharing? So you can see that people are enjoying something that you created!
If scratch was truly not about any sort of recognition, it wouldn't be a website. Go to github if you want feedback.

fixed.
I did not instantly assume that the OP was out for fame. I stated that a problem with this idea is that scratch is not about fame. Once again, it's okay to see how a single project is doing, because it is constructive. Your entire collection? That's looking for fame. It's also to receive feedback on what you created.

fredfish10

support it would help new scratchers feel good about them selves if they had a total of 50+

DaSpudLord

KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:
DaSpudLord wrote:
No support as per ChildCritic. This will just encourage users bragging about their stats even more as they can get a sum of all of their stats in one place easily.
You guys all say this, but I've never seen anyone brag about their number of followers or views. Anyone has gotten to a point at which they could “brag” are humble enough that they know that's just stupid,

Not necessarily. A couple times I've seen people bragging about having lots of likes on a project or having lots of followers, etc. and one time I even saw someone put down someone else because they had more followers.

And also, I don't automatically assume that the OP is out for fame. Personally, I think it would be kind of cool to see my stats. But unfortunately, users can and will abuse it. Bragging does occur on Scratch, whether or not you've seen it. Why do you think the ST removed the number of followers/following from the profile page? Or they round the post count? Because people bragged about their statistics, and the ST was trying to prevent that. (Well, also because of forum spam and F4F, but the bragging thing was still one of the deciding factors.) And the point of sharing is to receive constructive feedback on a project.

KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:
If scratch was truly not about any sort of recognition, it wouldn't be a website.

What?

KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:
Go to github if you want feedback.

What?

Uh, like I said, the reason Scratch has this community is so that users can get help with their projects, and get constructive criticism about their projects to make them even better. That's why Scratch has the commenting system on projects- so that users can suggest ways for other users to improve their project. Do you think the ST just woke up one day and decided to make Scratch into a social network just for the heck of creating a social network? Heck no! While Scratch may be somewhat of a social network, it is also a place of learning. The learning part is Scratch's main purpose- the social network thing is just an extra feature. If you want a social network, go to Facebook.

powershack

Guys! It doesn't matter! People can brag about how many views and love it's their project has, it's pretty much the same with the stats!

Owl-in-an-Oak

This thread is going really off topic. :_
Full support, I love looking at the statistics section for the overall scratch site, but wouldn't it be cool to see statistics for yourself? I think there should totally be a “most common blocks” which shows what blocks you use. Good idea! SCRATCH TEAM, please implement.

KingOfAwesome58219

@ChildCritic/TheSpudLord

You guys are missing my entire point

The anti-fame (which breaks down into bragging, F4F, and AEs) group is just causing drama. No matter what you do, you can't stop anyone from wanting several followers/loves/favorites/views. But you fight it by giving any idea with a hint of the “fame” no chance! Think about something other than fame, and give these ideas a chance!

I'm done arguing. Just get the point and move on.

DaSpudLord

KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:
The anti-fame (which breaks down into bragging, F4F, and AEs) group is just causing drama. No matter what you do, you can't stop anyone from wanting several followers/loves/favorites/views.

That is true.

KingOfAwesome59219 wrote:
But you fight it by giving any idea with a hint of the “fame” no chance! Think about something other than fame, and give these ideas a chance.

You know what? I'm going to be honest. I don't have a problem with fame. I don't have a problem with people being famous. What I do have a problem with is people bragging. Adults? They're usually pretty good at being humble. If this were a site with mature adults, I'd have no problem with displaying stats. But this isn't. It's a site full of 8-15 year olds. They're young. They're (generally) immature. They are much more likely to brag about their stats than an adult. Bragging is something that we want to prevent because it encourages bullying and harassment, arguments over who is more popular, and if not hindered or limited while the person is young, s/he can grow up to be a snotty brat who thinks s/he is above everyone else. Like I said, if F4F, AEs, and people bragging weren't a problem, then why did the ST remove the following count from the profile page? Why did the ST stop the project count in studios at 100+? Why is the post count on the forums rounded? Why are these statistics not already being shown and why has this idea not been accepted yet?

KingOfAwesome58219

DaSpudLord wrote:
You know what? I'm going to be honest. I don't have a problem with fame. I don't have a problem with people being famous. What I do have a problem with is people bragging. Adults? They're usually pretty good at being humble. If this were a site with mature adults, I'd have no problem with displaying stats. But this isn't. It's a site full of 8-15 year olds. They're young. They're (generally) immature. They are much more likely to brag about their stats than an adult. Bragging is something that we want to prevent because it encourages bullying and harassment, arguments over who is more popular, and if not hindered or limited while the person is young, s/he can grow up to be a snotty brat who thinks s/he is above everyone else. Like I said, if F4F, AEs, and people bragging weren't a problem, then why did the ST remove the following count from the profile page? Why did the ST stop the project count in studios at 100+? Why is the post count on the forums rounded? Why are these statistics not already being shown and why has this idea not been accepted yet?

I can agree with that
It isn't being shown because it hasn't been suggested and why make if it nobody shows interest?

clucklesman

I realize that there is a problem with people bragging, but there really is no way to stop that. You could say that having a views counter on each individual game would cause bragging, but it is there. And this stats page could just be private, so the scratcher could use it. That's just my opinion

braxbroscratcher

KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:
ChildCritic wrote:
Scratch is not about fame.
Ok, I'm kind of tired of this kind of stuff.
No scratch isn't technically about “fame” but what's the harm in seeing how many combined views you have?
You can't do that yourself because it views, love-its, and favorites can change often, and just about every time you got a message you'd have to go and recount.
Well I'm on it, here's my rant on all this fame stuff.

AE studios are fine. All they are is a just a studio that has a goal. And they might “spam up your studios on a project” but nobody actually goes and thinks, “wow this project is in The Elite Studio,” how cool. In fact, the only reason you'd want that is to get more fame, so you just played yourself!
You can remove your project from the studio if you like, that's not hard.
And AAE are just stupid. Like really, you're going to use the entire idea of AE to create a campaign against AE? All your doing is ruining all the reasons you don't like AEs in the first place.

F4Fs are fine. You can choose to not accept them, nobodies going to force you to do that, and they are aren't annoying. If you are campaigning against them, then you are once again saying that scratch is about fame because you don't want un-authentic followers. A follow for follow is a request for friendship in many cases.
And then there are anti-F4F, which, like AAEs, are worse then the original problem. All you're doing is making drama out of someone elses business. Does it really matter that other people are not receiving authentic followers because they support F4F? How does this affect you at all?
Just move on and stop causing drama on a website for 8-year-olds.
That's literally like creating an anti-mosquito mosquito because they are annoying and some people live with them.

Back to this whole idea of fame: Sure the theme of scratch is not gain as many followers as you can, but having many followers tells you that you have accomplished something. Being known by many people is a reasonable goal, and I see no reason why it's frowned upon (unless you aren't using scratch for it's purpose at ALL). Seeing your number of followers is absolutely fine, as well as your views. Its an accomplishment and a convenience, not a way to check if you are famous.
There you go, and stop spouting “scratch isn't about fame” everywhere and take a moment to think about it.

In case you didn't figure it out, I fully support. Maybe it could be a drop down next to the profile basic stats (rank, name, etc.) that you could click and would link to a stats page or bring something up on the page.

Corrected post for consistent examples.

-Flames-

Support, people can brag either way, with stats or not. Stats will help you keep track on your community and will just be a nice feature because you will be famous. Scratchers that are starting off might be proud of having 25+ favorites. It makes them feel better about themselves, making them a happier person that would want to stay with the scratch community. All these people saying that it will encourage bragging, YOU CAN BRAG EITHER WAY. It doesn't matter if there's stats or not. This is just my opinion.

braxbroscratcher

ChildCritic wrote:
KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:
AE studios are fine. All they are is a just a studio that has a goal. And they might “spam up your studios on a project” but nobody actually goes and thinks, “wow this project is in The Elite Studio,” how cool. In fact, the only reason you'd want that is to get more fame, so you just played yourself!
You can remove your project from the studio if you like, that's not hard.
And AAE are just stupid. Like really, you're going to use the entire idea of AE to create a campaign against AE? All your doing is ruining all the reasons you don't like AEs in the first place.
I have two main problems with AE. 1: they fulfill the entire purpose of the “Explore section,” (although that needs some updates), and 2: They have no main theme. Actually, people do think that. A common misconception about AEs is that they make you famous. As much as I can say I agree, I can't. By your logic, campaigning against bullying is “stupid.”
KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:
F4Fs are fine. You can choose to not accept them, nobodies going to force you to do that, and they are aren't annoying. If you are campaigning against them, then you are once again saying that scratch is about fame because you don't want un-authentic followers. A follow for follow is a request for friendship in many cases.
And then there are anti-F4F, which, like AAEs, are worse then the original problem. All you're doing is making drama out of someone elses business. Does it really matter that other people are not receiving authentic followers because they support F4F? How does this affect you at all?
Just move on and stop causing drama on a website for 8-year-olds.
That's literally like creating an anti-mosquito studio because they are annoying and some people live with them.
I once again disagree, wanting to agree. I don't want unauthentic followers, but just because you have a lot of friends, does not mean you are famous.Those of us who campaign against it believe that, as you stated, “unauthentic” followers are not proper.
I disagree with the comparison. Mosquitoes are much more annoying than F4F or AE.

KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:
Back to this whole idea of fame: Sure the theme of scratch is not gain as many followers as you can, but having many followers tells you that you have accomplished something. Being known by many people is a reasonable goal, and I see no reason why it's frowned upon (unless you aren't using scratch for it's purpose at ALL). Seeing your number of followers is absolutely fine, as well as your views. Its an accomplishment and a convenience, not a way to check if you are famous.
There you go, and stop spouting “scratch isn't about fame” everywhere and take a moment to think about it.
Kaj? Seriously, Fame is not always good. I understand your point, but just because it's a reasonable goal, does not mean it's the purpose.I have taken a moment to think about it and your points have done nothing to sway me. F4F and AE are only slightly related to fame.

And I give one last point.
It's okay to see how a single project is doing, because it is constructive. Your entire collection? That's looking for fame.
I stand by my reasons, and maintain my status. No support.

Incorrect. Campaigning against bullying IS GOOD because it is doing unavoidable emotional damage to people. Need I go on?

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