dragonbite wrote:

Support

Thanks!

I think we need more scratchers to click the discuss button on the the top of the screen and homepage and profile and games.


ya i don't do lot of games but my most time is in the forms! Since a new update for scratch come out on homepage i don't think there will be any stuff going on in forms!




i don't fell like losing the forums on scratch because they are so fun!





so lets try to get more active in the forms and i think we could get enough of votes to get more active.

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DaSpudLord wrote:

CatsUnited wrote:

What would the (New) Scratchers know what to do on the forum? It's best to show them what the forums are ans what the right things are to do so they won't spam as much. Also, that might need more moderators if the entire community used the forums (only a small percentage of Scratchers use the forum).

Also, I didn't know about the forum at first before I started making scratchblocks spam and necroposts until about December 2014.

^^^
What he said. Plus, the main purpose of the front page is to help users find projects, especially projects that they like. The forums serve no such purpose and are unnecessary to have a beneficial experience using Scratch.

I agree with them.

arman516 wrote:

DaSpudLord wrote:

CatsUnited wrote:

What would the (New) Scratchers know what to do on the forum? It's best to show them what the forums are ans what the right things are to do so they won't spam as much. Also, that might need more moderators if the entire community used the forums (only a small percentage of Scratchers use the forum).

Also, I didn't know about the forum at first before I started making scratchblocks spam and necroposts until about December 2014.

^^^
What he said. Plus, the main purpose of the front page is to help users find projects, especially projects that they like. The forums serve no such purpose and are unnecessary to have a beneficial experience using Scratch.

I agree with them.

Yet you disagree with the point they're making. They say that if more people come to the forums, they will not really contribute, they will just hit quote and say “I agree with this person.” without actually putting in any useful information. By quoting and saying “I agree with them.” you are agreeing with me that plenty of people already do that, and by increasing the number of people coming to the forums, we will get a few more people like you, but we will also get a lot of people who will actually contribute to the conversation. In addition to all of this, more people will read the forums and get more useful information out of them, making them more useful when Scratching.

Fuzzbutt wrote:

arman516 wrote:

DaSpudLord wrote:

CatsUnited wrote:

What would the (New) Scratchers know what to do on the forum? It's best to show them what the forums are ans what the right things are to do so they won't spam as much. Also, that might need more moderators if the entire community used the forums (only a small percentage of Scratchers use the forum).

Also, I didn't know about the forum at first before I started making scratchblocks spam and necroposts until about December 2014.

^^^
What he said. Plus, the main purpose of the front page is to help users find projects, especially projects that they like. The forums serve no such purpose and are unnecessary to have a beneficial experience using Scratch.

I agree with them.

Yet you disagree with the point they're making. They say that if more people come to the forums, they will not really contribute, they will just hit quote and say “I agree with this person.” without actually putting in any useful information. By quoting and saying “I agree with them.” you are agreeing with me that plenty of people already do that, and by increasing the number of people coming to the forums, we will get a few more people like you, but we will also get a lot of people who will actually contribute to the conversation. In addition to all of this, more people will read the forums and get more useful information out of them, making them more useful when Scratching.

You claim that we will get more people coming to the forums that will be helpful, but you provide no such evidence to back up that claim. In my opinion, we will just end up getting more people that have no clue what they are doing because they have no clue what the forums are. If they see the forums right away and hop on right away, they may be so eager that they skip reading the rules and just post spam. Notice how it's always new scratchers spamming? I've almost never seen someone older than a month spamming. That's because while new scratchers are (generally) immature and just want to mess around, older and more experienced scratchers know the rules, including the one about no spamming, and are more likely to take the time to follow those rules. They are also more likely to find the forums than a new scratcher. While new scratchers are going to jump right into setting up their profile and making projects, experienced scratchers will find the time to browse and explore the website because they are not as eager to make projects. (Note that this is generally speaking from my own personal experience; this is not an accurate representation of every Scratcher out there. There may be some mature new scratchers that follow the rules, and some immature older scratchers that just mess around. However, in a general sense, the majority of new scratchers are less mature than older scratchers.)

DaSpudLord wrote:

Fuzzbutt wrote:

arman516 wrote:

DaSpudLord wrote:

CatsUnited wrote:

What would the (New) Scratchers know what to do on the forum? It's best to show them what the forums are ans what the right things are to do so they won't spam as much. Also, that might need more moderators if the entire community used the forums (only a small percentage of Scratchers use the forum).

Also, I didn't know about the forum at first before I started making scratchblocks spam and necroposts until about December 2014.

^^^
What he said. Plus, the main purpose of the front page is to help users find projects, especially projects that they like. The forums serve no such purpose and are unnecessary to have a beneficial experience using Scratch.

I agree with them.

Yet you disagree with the point they're making. They say that if more people come to the forums, they will not really contribute, they will just hit quote and say “I agree with this person.” without actually putting in any useful information. By quoting and saying “I agree with them.” you are agreeing with me that plenty of people already do that, and by increasing the number of people coming to the forums, we will get a few more people like you, but we will also get a lot of people who will actually contribute to the conversation. In addition to all of this, more people will read the forums and get more useful information out of them, making them more useful when Scratching.

You claim that we will get more people coming to the forums that will be helpful, but you provide no such evidence to back up that claim. In my opinion, we will just end up getting more people that have no clue what they are doing because they have no clue what the forums are. If they see the forums right away and hop on right away, they may be so eager that they skip reading the rules and just post spam. Notice how it's always new scratchers spamming? I've almost never seen someone older than a month spamming. That's because while new scratchers are (generally) immature and just want to mess around, older and more experienced scratchers know the rules, including the one about no spamming, and are more likely to take the time to follow those rules. They are also more likely to find the forums than a new scratcher. While new scratchers are going to jump right into setting up their profile and making projects, experienced scratchers will find the time to browse and explore the website because they are not as eager to make projects. (Note that this is generally speaking from my own personal experience; this is not an accurate representation of every Scratcher out there. There may be some mature new scratchers that follow the rules, and some immature older scratchers that just mess around. However, in a general sense, the majority of new scratchers are less mature than older scratchers.)

I agree with some of that, but Scratchers won't only come to the forums to contribute. They will come to learn. And it's those Scratchers just starting Scratch that have the most to learn, so they should be shown the forums that they can look through to answer their questions. For example, the Studio and Forum for New Scratchers I never found until I was 7 months on here. And also, you have shown no evidence that there will be more bad then good if this idea is implemented.

Fuzzbutt wrote:

arman516 wrote:

DaSpudLord wrote:

CatsUnited wrote:

What would the (New) Scratchers know what to do on the forum? It's best to show them what the forums are ans what the right things are to do so they won't spam as much. Also, that might need more moderators if the entire community used the forums (only a small percentage of Scratchers use the forum).

Also, I didn't know about the forum at first before I started making scratchblocks spam and necroposts until about December 2014.

^^^
What he said. Plus, the main purpose of the front page is to help users find projects, especially projects that they like. The forums serve no such purpose and are unnecessary to have a beneficial experience using Scratch.

I agree with them.

Yet you disagree with the point they're making. They say that if more people come to the forums, they will not really contribute, they will just hit quote and say “I agree with this person.” without actually putting in any useful information. By quoting and saying “I agree with them.” you are agreeing with me that plenty of people already do that, and by increasing the number of people coming to the forums, we will get a few more people like you, but we will also get a lot of people who will actually contribute to the conversation. In addition to all of this, more people will read the forums and get more useful information out of them, making them more useful when Scratching.

Hey, well that is true…

Fuzzbutt wrote:

I think that the forums are underused, but have more potential for use then they are currently getting. I even recently found a Scratcher who had joined two years before, but had not even heard of the forum. For this reason, I think it would be a good idea to add a What the Community is Discussing bar to the front page!

If you agree with me, please love and remix this project to let the Scratch Team know that this would be a great addition to Scratch!

That is a great idea to start circulating scratch ideas - but won't it be mostly dominate the show and tell sections?

Fuzzbutt wrote:

you have shown no evidence that there will be more bad then good if this idea is implemented.

Um…

DaSpudLord previously wrote:

we will just end up getting more people that have no clue what they are doing because they have no clue what the forums are. If they see the forums right away and hop on right away, they may be so eager that they skip reading the rules and just post spam. Notice how it's always new scratchers spamming? I've almost never seen someone older than a month spamming. That's because while new scratchers are (generally) immature and just want to mess around, older and more experienced scratchers know the rules, including the one about no spamming, and are more likely to take the time to follow those rules. They are also more likely to find the forums than a new scratcher. While new scratchers are going to jump right into setting up their profile and making projects, experienced scratchers will find the time to browse and explore the website because they are not as eager to make projects. (Note that this is generally speaking from my own personal experience; this is not an accurate representation of every Scratcher out there. There may be some mature new scratchers that follow the rules, and some immature older scratchers that just mess around. However, in a general sense, the majority of new scratchers are less mature than older scratchers.)

It's not backed up by hard evidence, but it uses logic to create a sensible conclusion.

DaSpudLord wrote:

Fuzzbutt wrote:

you have shown no evidence that there will be more bad then good if this idea is implemented.

Um…

DaSpudLord previously wrote:

we will just end up getting more people that have no clue what they are doing because they have no clue what the forums are. If they see the forums right away and hop on right away, they may be so eager that they skip reading the rules and just post spam. Notice how it's always new scratchers spamming? I've almost never seen someone older than a month spamming. That's because while new scratchers are (generally) immature and just want to mess around, older and more experienced scratchers know the rules, including the one about no spamming, and are more likely to take the time to follow those rules. They are also more likely to find the forums than a new scratcher. While new scratchers are going to jump right into setting up their profile and making projects, experienced scratchers will find the time to browse and explore the website because they are not as eager to make projects. (Note that this is generally speaking from my own personal experience; this is not an accurate representation of every Scratcher out there. There may be some mature new scratchers that follow the rules, and some immature older scratchers that just mess around. However, in a general sense, the majority of new scratchers are less mature than older scratchers.)

It's not backed up by hard evidence, but it uses logic to create a sensible conclusion.

Logic, you say? I'd say inductive reasoning. You use one example (yourself) and base the entire community on it. Your assumptions contain a lot of “may”s. Now if you had actual evidence, that would be one thing.

No Support.

Scratch is about creation of projects, not a bunch of text that people are interested in.

Fuzzbutt wrote:

DaSpudLord wrote:

Fuzzbutt wrote:

you have shown no evidence that there will be more bad then good if this idea is implemented.

Um…

DaSpudLord previously wrote:

we will just end up getting more people that have no clue what they are doing because they have no clue what the forums are. If they see the forums right away and hop on right away, they may be so eager that they skip reading the rules and just post spam. Notice how it's always new scratchers spamming? I've almost never seen someone older than a month spamming. That's because while new scratchers are (generally) immature and just want to mess around, older and more experienced scratchers know the rules, including the one about no spamming, and are more likely to take the time to follow those rules. They are also more likely to find the forums than a new scratcher. While new scratchers are going to jump right into setting up their profile and making projects, experienced scratchers will find the time to browse and explore the website because they are not as eager to make projects. (Note that this is generally speaking from my own personal experience; this is not an accurate representation of every Scratcher out there. There may be some mature new scratchers that follow the rules, and some immature older scratchers that just mess around. However, in a general sense, the majority of new scratchers are less mature than older scratchers.)

It's not backed up by hard evidence, but it uses logic to create a sensible conclusion.

Logic, you say? I'd say inductive reasoning. You use one example (yourself) and base the entire community on it. Your assumptions contain a lot of “may”s. Now if you had actual evidence, that would be one thing.

Let's be nice please, get the bucket of water my friend.

I think Spud has a point but it doesn't seem to have strong evidence, so if he wishes to revise so be it, if he doesn't have solid evidence it just makes his point more “dull” or not as powerful as one that shows strong evidence.

MathlyCat wrote:

No Support.

Scratch is about creation of projects, not a bunch of text that people are interested in.

But if people are stuck on something and don't know what to do, they can look it up in the forums.

MathlyCat wrote:

Fuzzbutt wrote:

DaSpudLord wrote:

Fuzzbutt wrote:

you have shown no evidence that there will be more bad then good if this idea is implemented.

Um…

DaSpudLord previously wrote:

we will just end up getting more people that have no clue what they are doing because they have no clue what the forums are. If they see the forums right away and hop on right away, they may be so eager that they skip reading the rules and just post spam. Notice how it's always new scratchers spamming? I've almost never seen someone older than a month spamming. That's because while new scratchers are (generally) immature and just want to mess around, older and more experienced scratchers know the rules, including the one about no spamming, and are more likely to take the time to follow those rules. They are also more likely to find the forums than a new scratcher. While new scratchers are going to jump right into setting up their profile and making projects, experienced scratchers will find the time to browse and explore the website because they are not as eager to make projects. (Note that this is generally speaking from my own personal experience; this is not an accurate representation of every Scratcher out there. There may be some mature new scratchers that follow the rules, and some immature older scratchers that just mess around. However, in a general sense, the majority of new scratchers are less mature than older scratchers.)

It's not backed up by hard evidence, but it uses logic to create a sensible conclusion.

Logic, you say? I'd say inductive reasoning. You use one example (yourself) and base the entire community on it. Your assumptions contain a lot of “may”s. Now if you had actual evidence, that would be one thing.

Let's be nice please, get the bucket of water my friend.

I think Spud has a point but it doesn't seem to have strong evidence, so if he wishes to revise so be it, if he doesn't have solid evidence it just makes his point more “dull” or not as powerful as one that shows strong evidence.

I was simply pointing out that it was not actual evidence.

Fuzzbutt wrote:

MathlyCat wrote:

No Support.

Scratch is about creation of projects, not a bunch of text that people are interested in.

But if people are stuck on something and don't know what to do, they can look it up in the forums.

That covers ONE section of the forum, not very useful choice of space for the Help With Scripts forum, plus it's pretty easy to ask your friends, or press a button that says Discuss as I hope people understand what it means.

MathlyCat wrote:

Fuzzbutt wrote:

MathlyCat wrote:

No Support.

Scratch is about creation of projects, not a bunch of text that people are interested in.

But if people are stuck on something and don't know what to do, they can look it up in the forums.

That covers ONE section of the forum, not very useful choice of space for the Help With Scripts forum, plus it's pretty easy to ask your friends, or press a button that says Discuss as I hope people understand what it means.

What if you don't have any friends that Scratch, as is the case with many Scratchers. And surprisingly, most people do not know what the forums are.

Fuzzbutt wrote:

MathlyCat wrote:

Fuzzbutt wrote:

MathlyCat wrote:

No Support.

Scratch is about creation of projects, not a bunch of text that people are interested in.

But if people are stuck on something and don't know what to do, they can look it up in the forums.

That covers ONE section of the forum, not very useful choice of space for the Help With Scripts forum, plus it's pretty easy to ask your friends, or press a button that says Discuss as I hope people understand what it means.

What if you don't have any friends that Scratch, as is the case with many Scratchers. And surprisingly, most people do not know what the forums are.

“…or press a button that says Discuss as I hope people understand what it means.”

May you please read my WHOLE post?

Plus there is no point in wasting room for ONE sub forum, instead of HWS, explain how ANOTHER would be useful? If your suggestion only works for HWS then put that down.

MathlyCat wrote:

Fuzzbutt wrote:

MathlyCat wrote:

Fuzzbutt wrote:

MathlyCat wrote:

No Support.

Scratch is about creation of projects, not a bunch of text that people are interested in.

But if people are stuck on something and don't know what to do, they can look it up in the forums.

That covers ONE section of the forum, not very useful choice of space for the Help With Scripts forum, plus it's pretty easy to ask your friends, or press a button that says Discuss as I hope people understand what it means.

What if you don't have any friends that Scratch, as is the case with many Scratchers. And surprisingly, most people do not know what the forums are.

“…or press a button that says Discuss as I hope people understand what it means.”

May you please read my WHOLE post?

Plus there is no point in wasting room for ONE sub forum, instead of HWS, explain how ANOTHER would be useful? If your suggestion only works for HWS then put that down.

No, it can also help with Show and Tell, maybe Collaborations, and a few others.

Fuzzbutt wrote:

DaSpudLord wrote:

Fuzzbutt wrote:

you have shown no evidence that there will be more bad then good if this idea is implemented.

Um…

DaSpudLord previously wrote:

we will just end up getting more people that have no clue what they are doing because they have no clue what the forums are. If they see the forums right away and hop on right away, they may be so eager that they skip reading the rules and just post spam. Notice how it's always new scratchers spamming? I've almost never seen someone older than a month spamming. That's because while new scratchers are (generally) immature and just want to mess around, older and more experienced scratchers know the rules, including the one about no spamming, and are more likely to take the time to follow those rules. They are also more likely to find the forums than a new scratcher. While new scratchers are going to jump right into setting up their profile and making projects, experienced scratchers will find the time to browse and explore the website because they are not as eager to make projects. (Note that this is generally speaking from my own personal experience; this is not an accurate representation of every Scratcher out there. There may be some mature new scratchers that follow the rules, and some immature older scratchers that just mess around. However, in a general sense, the majority of new scratchers are less mature than older scratchers.)

It's not backed up by hard evidence, but it uses logic to create a sensible conclusion.

Logic, you say? I'd say inductive reasoning. You use one example (yourself) and base the entire community on it. Your assumptions contain a lot of “may”s. Now if you had actual evidence, that would be one thing.

I'd call it abductive reasoning, but whatever. You're right, I do not have actual, hard evidence. But neither do you. And you're right, I am basing this off of my own experience. But let me tell you, I've had quite a lot of experience. If anyone has had experience that counters what I have said above, then I would love to meet them. But so far, my experience has led me to conclude that more new scratchers equals more spam. Will this help more Scratchers find the forums? Yes. Will it create more spam? Yes. Is this question pointless? Yes. Am I getting off topic? Yes. Will more users be able to get help from the Help with Scripts section? Yes. Maybe? Kinda? Yes. All in all, my personal opinion is that the bad outweighs the good. So there.

DaSpudLord wrote:

Fuzzbutt wrote:

DaSpudLord wrote:

Fuzzbutt wrote:

you have shown no evidence that there will be more bad then good if this idea is implemented.

Um…

DaSpudLord previously wrote:

we will just end up getting more people that have no clue what they are doing because they have no clue what the forums are. If they see the forums right away and hop on right away, they may be so eager that they skip reading the rules and just post spam. Notice how it's always new scratchers spamming? I've almost never seen someone older than a month spamming. That's because while new scratchers are (generally) immature and just want to mess around, older and more experienced scratchers know the rules, including the one about no spamming, and are more likely to take the time to follow those rules. They are also more likely to find the forums than a new scratcher. While new scratchers are going to jump right into setting up their profile and making projects, experienced scratchers will find the time to browse and explore the website because they are not as eager to make projects. (Note that this is generally speaking from my own personal experience; this is not an accurate representation of every Scratcher out there. There may be some mature new scratchers that follow the rules, and some immature older scratchers that just mess around. However, in a general sense, the majority of new scratchers are less mature than older scratchers.)

It's not backed up by hard evidence, but it uses logic to create a sensible conclusion.

Logic, you say? I'd say inductive reasoning. You use one example (yourself) and base the entire community on it. Your assumptions contain a lot of “may”s. Now if you had actual evidence, that would be one thing.

I'd call it abductive reasoning, but whatever. You're right, I do not have actual, hard evidence. But neither do you. And you're right, I am basing this off of my own experience. But let me tell you, I've had quite a lot of experience. If anyone has had experience that counters what I have said above, then I would love to meet them. But so far, my experience has led me to conclude that more new scratchers equals more spam. Will this help more Scratchers find the forums? Yes. Will it create more spam? Yes. Is this question pointless? Yes. Am I getting off topic? Yes. Will more users be able to get help from the Help with Scripts section? Yes. Maybe? Kinda? Yes. All in all, my personal opinion is that the bad outweighs the good. So there.

You eat what you like, I'll eat what I like. My opinion is that the good outweighs the bad. Spam will go up, but non-spam will also increase proportionally. Also, scratchers will become more knowledgeable.