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cookieclickerer33
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove or update §4.4 of the ToU

Ive said it before and I’ll say it again

The word “from” here indicates something you are all overlooking

What this bans is actually

“Uploading a project from the inside of something that is not an offical editor made by scratch team, or is a modified version of the scratch editor”

It prevents you from uploading a project via any method that isn’t from the scratch website, such as api requests. The “exclusively” list shows the sections that you are allowed to upload a project in.

What this is banning is basically a third party editor mod that would have an “upload” button that would upload the project to the main site.
This is why despite being perfectly doable via api requests. Nothing actually does this.

You CAN make a project via turbowarp, export it, then import it into normal scratch to be uploaded. As you aren’t uploading the project FROM turbowarp, it’s being uploaded from scratch.

TLDR:
You are misinterpreting this. It bans uploading a project via any method that is not FROM the scratch website, NOT projects CREATED via a method apart from the scratch site

Last edited by cookieclickerer33 (Feb. 5, 2024 17:25:02)

Maximouse
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove or update §4.4 of the ToU

mumu245 wrote:

So these are banned?
  • Scratch < 1.4.
  • Any Scratch mod.
  • Using browser extensions.
  • Editing the JSON.
  • Converters such as Tosh.
  • 2.0/3.0 offline editors.
I'm not sure about browser extensions – it depends on what exactly makes the editor “modified”.

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

The word “from” here indicates something you are all overlooking

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

You are misinterpreting this. It bans uploading a project via any method that is not FROM the scratch website, NOT projects CREATED via a method apart from the scratch site

Scratch Terms of Use wrote:

4.4 You may only submit user-generated projects that were created with (1) the Scratch website editor or (2) an unmodified copy of the Scratch editor compiled from the source code described in Section 5.3. You may not upload any projects that were created, by you or by anyone else, with a modified version of the Scratch editor.
undeterminstic
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove or update §4.4 of the ToU

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

Ive said it before and I’ll say it again

The word “from” here indicates something you are all overlooking

What this bans is actually

“Uploading a project from the inside of something that is not an offical editor made by scratch team, or is a modified version of the scratch editor”

It prevents you from uploading a project via any method that isn’t from the scratch website, such as api requests. The “exclusively” list shows the sections that you are allowed to upload a project in.

What this is banning is basically a third party editor mod that would have an “upload” button that would upload the project to the main site.
This is why despite being perfectly doable via api requests. Nothing actually does this.

You CAN make a project via turbowarp, export it, then import it into normal scratch to be uploaded. As you aren’t uploading the project FROM turbowarp, it’s being uploaded from scratch.

TLDR:
You are misinterpreting this. It bans uploading a project via any method that is not FROM the scratch website, NOT projects CREATED via a method apart from the scratch site
5.3 refers to scratch 1.4 though
Billy_IsntA_Stickman
Scratcher
27 posts

Remove or update §4.4 of the ToU

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The word “from” here indicates something you are all overlooking
Oh. I get it now.
8to16
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove or update §4.4 of the ToU

bump

support, i really wanna upload a project made using turbowarp
cookieclickerer33
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove or update §4.4 of the ToU

Maximouse wrote:

mumu245 wrote:

So these are banned?
  • Scratch < 1.4.
  • Any Scratch mod.
  • Using browser extensions.
  • Editing the JSON.
  • Converters such as Tosh.
  • 2.0/3.0 offline editors.
I'm not sure about browser extensions – it depends on what exactly makes the editor “modified”.

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

The word “from” here indicates something you are all overlooking

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

You are misinterpreting this. It bans uploading a project via any method that is not FROM the scratch website, NOT projects CREATED via a method apart from the scratch site

Scratch Terms of Use wrote:

4.4 You may only submit user-generated projects that were created with (1) the Scratch website editor or (2) an unmodified copy of the Scratch editor compiled from the source code described in Section 5.3. You may not upload any projects that were created, by you or by anyone else, with a modified version of the Scratch editor.
The “with” isn’t being used as “using” it’s being used as “within”
8to16
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove or update §4.4 of the ToU

bump
BigNate469
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove or update §4.4 of the ToU

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

Maximouse wrote:

Scratch Terms of Use wrote:

4.4 You may only submit user-generated projects that were created with (1) the Scratch website editor or (2) an unmodified copy of the Scratch editor compiled from the source code described in Section 5.3. You may not upload any projects that were created, by you or by anyone else, with a modified version of the Scratch editor.
The “with” isn’t being used as “using” it’s being used as “within”
Which doesn't change anything. The meaning is effectively the same- and I don't think that the ST would use the word like that (considering that they likely got a lawyer to write the ToU).
gilbert_given_189
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remove or update §4.4 of the ToU

Bump.
hotcrystal
Scratcher
100+ posts

Remove or update §4.4 of the ToU

It’s also confusing what moderators themselves say. Cheddargirl said that exporting svg files from a modified version of the Scratch editor like Turbowarp is fine because the svg file format is not unique to Scratch.
cake__5
Scratcher
100+ posts

Remove or update §4.4 of the ToU

the more tos that goes away the less rules we have

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