sharkode wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

(#18)

plantskym2 wrote:

It's licensed music, so it is technically illegal.

scratch projects dont make money so no not illegal. you cant go to jail for it

I don't think you can go to jail for it but it's still illegal, you can get sued

no you cant.

starlightsparker wrote:

(#21)

sharkode wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

(#18)

plantskym2 wrote:

It's licensed music, so it is technically illegal.

scratch projects dont make money so no not illegal. you cant go to jail for it

I don't think you can go to jail for it but it's still illegal, you can get sued

no you cant.

Yes you absolutely can
https://edu.gcfglobal.org/en/useinformationcorrectly/copyright-and-fair-use/1/

Give credit to the copyright holder.
In order for something to be fair use, you must give full credit to the person who created it. This includes the creator's name, as well as other information that will help people find the original work or source. For example, if you adapt a recipe that was originally published on a cooking website, you should include a link to the original page. For more help citing your sources, review Avoiding Plagiarism.

In short, it's better to do what's right than to risk violating copyright and fair use laws. Even if you think what you're doing is not a big deal, the copyright holder may disagree. If someone requests that you remove his or her materials from your work, you should do so immediately. Otherwise, you can suffer serious consequences, including:

• Having your website shut down if your work is published online—like on a blog—after the copyright holder complains to your hosting service
  
• Getting sued by the copyright holder
  

sharkode wrote:

Scratchedbyyou wrote:

(#2)
Is there another way to prove the music was stolen though?

The person literally admitting to it

Which almost never happens unless it's a joke

Scratchedbyyou wrote:

(#23)

sharkode wrote:

Scratchedbyyou wrote:

(#2)
Is there another way to prove the music was stolen though?

The person literally admitting to it

Which almost never happens unless it's a joke

It does, I've seen things like “credits goes to their respective owners” or “music: not me” for far too many times

Perhaps it would make more sense if there was instead another option of reporting for “the credit given was improper” which could be used for any sort of situation where the credit isn't neccessarily not given nor wrongly given, but just given in a way that wasn't acceptable. (For example, even if you made everything yourself, you probably shouldn't say “credits to all” because that would not only imply that you did not properly credit others, but would also make other people think that CTA is a valid way to give credit)

sharkode wrote:

Scratchedbyyou wrote:

(#23)

sharkode wrote:

Scratchedbyyou wrote:

(#2)
Is there another way to prove the music was stolen though?

The person literally admitting to it

Which almost never happens unless it's a joke

It does, I've seen things like “credits goes to their respective owners” or “music: not me” for far too many times

I didn't know how much it has happened.
Would we still be able to use links if we know where it came from? If so, then I could see this as beneficial.

If you want to not be reported send link to original music.

Za-Chary wrote:

plantskym2 wrote:

Maybe use google feature of humming, or/and how would they get the music? They either backpacked it or downloaded it right? So it shouldn't be that hard, just go back to the source they got it from.

Suppose that they got the music from another Scratcher who also did not credit the original artist. It wouldn't make sense to credit the Scratcher as the original artist… (Although maybe it's better than nothing?)

I see this problem with @-Xaf- all the time.

Scratchedbyyou wrote:

(#27)

sharkode wrote:

Scratchedbyyou wrote:

(#23)

sharkode wrote:

Scratchedbyyou wrote:

(#2)
Is there another way to prove the music was stolen though?

The person literally admitting to it

Which almost never happens unless it's a joke

It does, I've seen things like “credits goes to their respective owners” or “music: not me” for far too many times

I didn't know how much it has happened.
Would we still be able to use links if we know where it came from? If so, then I could see this as beneficial.

What do you mean by that? I'm not saying ban people for linking to the original music I'm just saying that people should be able to be reported for saying things like “Music: not me” or “Credits to all” and stuffs like that

sharkode wrote:

Yes you absolutely can
https://edu.gcfglobal.org/en/useinformationcorrectly/copyright-and-fair-use/1/

Give credit to the copyright holder.
In order for something to be fair use, you must give full credit to the person who created it. This includes the creator's name, as well as other information that will help people find the original work or source. For example, if you adapt a recipe that was originally published on a cooking website, you should include a link to the original page. For more help citing your sources, review Avoiding Plagiarism.

In short, it's better to do what's right than to risk violating copyright and fair use laws. Even if you think what you're doing is not a big deal, the copyright holder may disagree. If someone requests that you remove his or her materials from your work, you should do so immediately. Otherwise, you can suffer serious consequences, including:

• Having your website shut down if your work is published online—like on a blog—after the copyright holder complains to your hosting service
  
• Getting sued by the copyright holder
  

objection, scratch projects dont make money so that doesnt apply

Bad idea, how else do the moderators find the music? Yeah sure, you could give the name but a link is quicker.
And even if you dont know the name, just use a tool like shazam.

starlightsparker wrote:

objection, scratch projects dont make money so that doesnt apply

ah yes “stealing is fine because i'm not making money”

starlightsparker wrote:

(#31)

sharkode wrote:

Yes you absolutely can
https://edu.gcfglobal.org/en/useinformationcorrectly/copyright-and-fair-use/1/

Give credit to the copyright holder.
In order for something to be fair use, you must give full credit to the person who created it. This includes the creator's name, as well as other information that will help people find the original work or source. For example, if you adapt a recipe that was originally published on a cooking website, you should include a link to the original page. For more help citing your sources, review Avoiding Plagiarism.

In short, it's better to do what's right than to risk violating copyright and fair use laws. Even if you think what you're doing is not a big deal, the copyright holder may disagree. If someone requests that you remove his or her materials from your work, you should do so immediately. Otherwise, you can suffer serious consequences, including:

• Having your website shut down if your work is published online—like on a blog—after the copyright holder complains to your hosting service
  
• Getting sued by the copyright holder
  

objection, scratch projects dont make money so that doesnt apply

Please read the page, in order for fair use to be legal the project must both not make money AND give credits, having only one of them doesn't make it legal.

nieh444 wrote:

(#32)
Bad idea, how else do the moderators find the music? Yeah sure, you could give the name but a link is quicker.
And even if you dont know the name, just use a tool like shazam.

Most people have no idea what shazam is, maybe the moderators can use it instead? Also, if the person literally ADMITS to stealing music then I think there is enough evidence to remove the project

sharkode wrote:

nieh444 wrote:

(#32)
Bad idea, how else do the moderators find the music? Yeah sure, you could give the name but a link is quicker.
And even if you dont know the name, just use a tool like shazam.

Most people have no idea what shazam is, maybe the moderators can use it instead? Also, if the person literally ADMITS to stealing music then I think there is enough evidence to remove the project

Yeah, good point.
Maybe a note when reporting it saying “If you don't know the name, search up and use a music finder.” That might be a bad idea, but I don't really know.

sharkode wrote:

(#34)

starlightsparker wrote:

(#31)

sharkode wrote:

Yes you absolutely can
https://edu.gcfglobal.org/en/useinformationcorrectly/copyright-and-fair-use/1/

Give credit to the copyright holder.
In order for something to be fair use, you must give full credit to the person who created it. This includes the creator's name, as well as other information that will help people find the original work or source. For example, if you adapt a recipe that was originally published on a cooking website, you should include a link to the original page. For more help citing your sources, review Avoiding Plagiarism.

In short, it's better to do what's right than to risk violating copyright and fair use laws. Even if you think what you're doing is not a big deal, the copyright holder may disagree. If someone requests that you remove his or her materials from your work, you should do so immediately. Otherwise, you can suffer serious consequences, including:

• Having your website shut down if your work is published online—like on a blog—after the copyright holder complains to your hosting service
  
• Getting sued by the copyright holder
  

objection, scratch projects dont make money so that doesnt apply

Please read the page, in order for fair use to be legal the project must both not make money AND give credits, having only one of them doesn't make it legal.

Here is my argument in a more simple form

You steal copyrighted music :: events hat
if <<(Is it for non-commercial use?) = [Yes]> AND <(Did you give credits?) = [Yes]>> then 
You're good to go!

else
You get sued! 
end

nieh444 wrote:

(#36)

sharkode wrote:

nieh444 wrote:

(#32)
Bad idea, how else do the moderators find the music? Yeah sure, you could give the name but a link is quicker.
And even if you dont know the name, just use a tool like shazam.

Most people have no idea what shazam is, maybe the moderators can use it instead? Also, if the person literally ADMITS to stealing music then I think there is enough evidence to remove the project

Yeah, good point.
Maybe a note when reporting it saying “If you don't know the name, search up and use a music finder.” That might be a bad idea, but I don't really know.

Not everybody have music finder, ST should install such apps themselves if they are trying to moderate a website

sharkode wrote:

nieh444 wrote:

(#36)

sharkode wrote:

nieh444 wrote:

(#32)
Bad idea, how else do the moderators find the music? Yeah sure, you could give the name but a link is quicker.
And even if you dont know the name, just use a tool like shazam.

Most people have no idea what shazam is, maybe the moderators can use it instead? Also, if the person literally ADMITS to stealing music then I think there is enough evidence to remove the project

Yeah, good point.
Maybe a note when reporting it saying “If you don't know the name, search up and use a music finder.” That might be a bad idea, but I don't really know.

Not everybody have music finder, ST should install such apps themselves if they are trying to moderate a website

man, look what i said, Search up and use a music finder. you can find those when searching up that.

nieh444 wrote:

(#39)
-snip-
man, look what i said, Search up and use a music finder. you can find those when searching up that.

Not everyone has a phone.