Remove or update §4.4 of the ToU

Maximouse

Bump.

JollyWinter

Maximouse wrote:
It says "You may only submit …", indicating that it is intended to be an exhaustive list.

Well in that case, it points directly to

Scratch - Scratch Terms of Use wrote:
5.3 The source code for Scratch 1.4 is available for download and subject to the copyright notice as indicated on the Scratch FAQ page.

Scratch - FAQ wrote:
Where can I find the source code for Scratch?
The source code for the Scratch programming editor can be found on GitHub. The source code for Scratch 2.0 and Scratch 1.4, are also available on GitHub. For updated information on development projects relating to the Scratch website, please visit our For Developers.

Which, if you ask me, looks an awfully lot like you can use more than just the 1.4 offline editor.

fdreerf

JollyWinter wrote:
Which, if you ask me, looks an awfully lot like you can use more than just the 1.4 offline editor.

5.3 says nothing about the 2.0 editor, only that it is subject to the same copyright notice.

mybearworld

Support. Scratch encourages mods:

Advanced Topics Talk about technical aspects, advanced features, or Scratch Modifications (Mods) here.

I don't think they would write that if they don't want mods. I think it would be weird if they don't allow modded projects to be uploaded (if they don't contain any mod-specific blocks)

coder_isaiyah11

any copies officialy downloaded from this website is allowed

Maximouse

Bump.

Maximouse

coder_isaiyah11 wrote:
any copies officialy downloaded from this website is allowed

It says an unmodified copy of the Scratch editor compiled from the source code described in Section 5.3, which is the Scratch 1.4 editor.

cloverCat156

PkmnQ wrote:
I mean, I think it's obvious that offline editors are allowed. It's common sense.

If not, then there's a few more things that a lot of people may have broken.
Terms of Use wrote:
3.7 You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use.
Scratch modifications? Not allowed.
Scratchblocks 3.0? Not allowed.

3.7 is very confusing, only the Scratch Team knows if it means “not to post Scratch links on other sites” or “not to post links to other websites on Scratch”.

Maximouse

Ivy_Zhangyanchu wrote:
3.7 is very confusing, only the Scratch Team knows if it means “not to post Scratch links on other sites” or “not to post links to other websites on Scratch”.

I think 3.7 means you aren't allowed to post links to content that violates the Terms of Use.

I_LOVE_TO_MAKE_STUFF

I use the turbowarp sometimes. The editor is soooo much better

Some people don't even read the ToU, but this would be better for the ones that do.

Jackson49_test

Bump

historical_supa

Bump

minikiwigeek2

You know, you could use Mod Share (modshare.futuresight.org) to upload mod projects.

ajskateboarder

Bump from a duplicate

rdococ

Looks like the ToU hasn't been updated since 1.4. But more to the point, this rule is pointless and would have been even in the days of old. The server-side validation should be strong enough not to allow uploading modded blocks, but even if it wasn't, everyone else's vanilla Scratch clients aren't in any danger of executing them. I vote for removal.

unmissable

bump

gdfsgdfsgdfg

rdococ wrote:
Looks like the ToU hasn't been updated since 1.4. But more to the point, this rule is pointless and would have been even in the days of old. The server-side validation should be strong enough not to allow uploading modded blocks, but even if it wasn't, everyone else's vanilla Scratch clients aren't in any danger of executing them. I vote for removal.

Its last updated in 2.0 times so it doesn’t make sense

Last edited by gdfsgdfsgdfg (Dec. 6, 2023 14:01:05)

Jonathan50

rdococ wrote:
Looks like the ToU hasn't been updated since 1.4. But more to the point, this rule is pointless and would have been even in the days of old. The server-side validation should be strong enough not to allow uploading modded blocks, but even if it wasn't, everyone else's vanilla Scratch clients aren't in any danger of executing them. I vote for removal.

Yes, that's not why the rule exists. IIRC it's so things like “JSON hacking” (which can't be done with the editor, but are still legal so far so the interpreter is concerned) don't confuse people who can't recreate it with the editor (which makes sense, but I don't think completely justified the rule, so I agree it should be removed).

Last edited by Jonathan50 (Dec. 6, 2023 19:40:36)

Moca_17

uh what

IM JUST CLICKING RANDOM BUTTONS HELP

mumu245

So these are banned?

Scratch < 1.4.
Any Scratch mod.
Using browser extensions.
Editing the JSON.
Converters such as Tosh.
2.0/3.0 offline editors.

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