improved version of this
the three char guy that starts with a K is k7e btw

Scratch Terms of Use wrote:

3.7 You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use.

This term is poorly written and very confusing, as it could be conveyed as any link outside of Scratch.

Also, these legal documents should be able to be understood by everyone, IG you can't expect common sense in these legal things.

When I first read this, I thought it meant linking any content outside of Scratch was against the ToS

What it means is things links breaking the ToU/CG or breaking them by posting it shouldn't be linked.


Here are some possible examples:
credit to yadayadayadagoodbye … gfds……that one person with the emoji pfp… Hamster pfp guy… for these ideas(not in order btw)

You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if the content itself would violate any part of the Terms of Use.

You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if by posting the content you would in any way violate the Terms of Use

You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if doing so would violate any part of the Terms of Use.

You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website if linking to it would violate any part of the Terms of Use

-Rodri

It's definitely an improvement. Semi support I'm not a lawyer I'll see what people think

What's wrong with the current one? I'm struggling to see the difference besides the choice of wording, and I think the wording is fine. Younger Kids aren't supposed to read the ToS, that's why the Community Guidelines exist.

p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p- wrote:

What's wrong with the current one? I'm struggling to see the difference besides the choice of wording, and I think the wording is fine. Younger Kids aren't supposed to read the ToS, that's why the Community Guidelines exist.

the CG is not a kidy translation of the ToS, plus not only “little kids” use scratch.

-Rodri wrote:

p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p- wrote:

What's wrong with the current one? I'm struggling to see the difference besides the choice of wording, and I think the wording is fine. Younger Kids aren't supposed to read the ToS, that's why the Community Guidelines exist.

the CG is not a kidy version of the ToS, plus not only “little kids” use scratch.

wrong /j

I agree, whilst they do in fact say the same thing, your revised versions are worded better, easier to understand, and contain all of the same information as the current writing.

-Rodri wrote:

p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p- wrote:

What's wrong with the current one? I'm struggling to see the difference besides the choice of wording, and I think the wording is fine. Younger Kids aren't supposed to read the ToS, that's why the Community Guidelines exist.

the CG is not a kidy translation of the ToS, plus not only “little kids” use scratch.

Pretty sure it is. That's why the mascots are there.

-Rodri wrote:

p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p- wrote:

What's wrong with the current one? I'm struggling to see the difference besides the choice of wording, and I think the wording is fine. Younger Kids aren't supposed to read the ToS, that's why the Community Guidelines exist.

the CG is not a kidy translation of the ToS, plus not only “little kids” use scratch.

If one is not a little kid, one should be old enough to use big boy words

p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p- wrote:

-Rodri wrote:

p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p- wrote:

What's wrong with the current one? I'm struggling to see the difference besides the choice of wording, and I think the wording is fine. Younger Kids aren't supposed to read the ToS, that's why the Community Guidelines exist.

the CG is not a kidy translation of the ToS, plus not only “little kids” use scratch.

Pretty sure it is. That's why the mascots are there.

-Rodri wrote:

p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p- wrote:

What's wrong with the current one? I'm struggling to see the difference besides the choice of wording, and I think the wording is fine. Younger Kids aren't supposed to read the ToS, that's why the Community Guidelines exist.

the CG is not a kidy translation of the ToS, plus not only “little kids” use scratch.

If one is not a little kid, one should be old enough to use big boy words

I'd like proof that is CG is meant to be a kidy translation of the ToU. Plus, the CG leaves out lots of things the ToU includes.


also, not being a “little kid” is not equivalent to being able to use “big boy” words

Hey! Wheres the credit for the phrases!11!1!1 /j
I dont see a reason not to add this change, but changing a legal document is complicated enough that I believe unless there is some more legitimate reason for ST to change up the ToS, this, alongside with the other suggestion about removing section 4.4, should only be implemented when some larger changes which is required for the ToS is implemented.

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

Hey! Wheres the credit for the phrases!11!1!1 /j
I dont see a reason not to add this change, but changing a legal document is complicated enough that I believe unless there is some more legitimate reason for ST to change up the ToS, this, alongside with the other suggestion about removing section 4.4, should only be implemented when some larger changes which is required for the ToS is implemented.

ya, i agree, this is prob not top pri.

and i just gave u credit, cuz u intimidate me /hj

I don't really see how it's “confusing”.

3.7 You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use.

The “if to do so” explains it quite well especially.
I doubt the wording could be really modified, even if made simpler - It's supposed to be a legal document the ST can turn to, the ToU is just a legal (a bit more specific) version of the guidelines either way so it doesn't really need modification.

It's just a legal version of this part technically:

Guidelines wrote:

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EDIT: Specifically the text I added the big unicode on, if I read it right.

Zydrolic wrote:

I don't really see how it's “confusing”.

3.7 You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use.

The “if to do so” explains it quite well especially.

All of English is confusing…

“If to do so” can be interpreted as “If it would” or “As doing so”

The only word that helped me understand when I first read the ToU was “any”, but then it would be “every” instead.

I didn’t come up with an idea?

gdfsgdfsgdfg wrote:

I didn’t come up with an idea?

ya, ur “gdfs…” in the credit for the idea i didn't wanna spell ur whole user im sorry :laughing-crying:

Technically there's no loopholes in the current wording, but it is commonly misunderstood and I agree that rewording it would rectify this confusion.

bump because yes

came from my own dupe
People could misread it like “…website, as to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use.” Adults who read legal documents misread too.

Loopholes tho:
For 1, "Go to https://www.youtube.com and go to my channel, SillyLilDude, follow me and check my about. Join the purple app server"
For 2, I'm just putting a silly widdle link, it's not against the CG to install malware into their site if I do it in a siwwy way

They both contain the confusing phrase “You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website”. Maybe something like “You agree not to post links to any content that violates the Terms of Use”?

k7e wrote:

They both contain the confusing phrase “You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website”. Maybe something like “You agree not to post links to any content that violates the Terms of Use”?

Ya, that sounds good, can I put it on the OP as an example?