People do this for annoying and repetitive reasons, and it clogs up the server’s memory when using the forums to discuss on April Fools Day, so there is reasons to do this for April Fools Day.

MaterArc wrote:

I mean if they could somehow pull this off, it sounds like a really great idea

It's worked pretty well for guides in the forums, and that moratorium has been in place for a few years now.

I’m not entirely convinced that this suggestion would work out. While yes, I suppose there are plenty of far-fetched suggestions pertaining to April Fools Day, I think there are some suggestions which are not far-fetched, and I think it is unfair that those would be banned as well because of the fact that some other users have made suggestions which are not reasonable.

Sliverus wrote:

I’m not entirely convinced that this suggestion would work out. While yes, I suppose there are plenty of far-fetched suggestions pertaining to April Fools Day, I think there are some suggestions which are not far-fetched, and I think it is unfair that those would be banned as well because of the fact that some other users have made suggestions which are not reasonable.

It's not a very professional manner when suggesting things for Scratch after April Fools Day is over and done for the year, so I don't understand what you mean by that.

Also, I agree with Za-Chary's statement.

The title's a bit confusing. It's suggesting to remove suggestions for AFD events, not joke suggestions (they are already not allowed).

Sliverus wrote:

I’m not entirely convinced that this suggestion would work out. While yes, I suppose there are plenty of far-fetched suggestions pertaining to April Fools Day, I think there are some suggestions which are not far-fetched, and I think it is unfair that those would be banned as well because of the fact that some other users have made suggestions which are not reasonable.

^^

The vast majority of suggestions are unlikely to be implemented but aren't removed, so I see no clear reason to treat AFD suggestions differently.

PaperMarioFan2022 wrote:

It's not a very professional manner when suggesting things for Scratch after April Fools Day is over and done for the year, so I don't understand what you mean by that.

Take this one, for example. About two months before April Fools Day, I decided to legitimately put detailed research into French and Italian cultures for this suggestion. (Although, I had already been studying Italian culture, so that did help with my research a little bit.) What I said in that topic about those cultures was basically a short and concise summary. But the bottom line is, I put plenty of effort into it.

This one by @Basilikos doesn’t seem to be that bad, either. It would certainly be very funny — and could surprise plenty of young faces on April Fools Day! It was closed by a Scratch Team member at some point, but @Basilikos did end up coming to an agreement with @Paddle2See on how the suggestion could work, and changed the suggestion accordingly.

Or perhaps this one by @huagoose, for example. I know that it was closed, but it was only closed because it was past April Fools Day. It would’ve been completely fine and reasonable for April Fools Day to add a semicolon emoji.

Basically, what I am getting at is that these sorts of suggestions can work out well sometimes, and while some will not work out, I don’t think it is fair to put an outright ban on all April Fools suggestions just because some are not realistic.

Sliverus wrote:

Take this one, for example. About two months before April Fools Day, I decided to legitimately put detailed research into French and Italian cultures for this suggestion. (Although, I had already been studying Italian culture, so that did help with my research a little bit.) What I said in that topic about those cultures was basically a short and concise summary. But the bottom line is, I put plenty of effort into it.

I must say, you must really know what your doing for many different cultures, and I support that.

Sliverus wrote:

This one by @Basilikos doesn’t seem to be that bad, either. It would certainly be very funny — and could surprise plenty of young faces on April Fools Day! It was closed by a Scratch Team member at some point, but @Basilikos did end up coming to an agreement with @Paddle2See on how the suggestion could work, and changed the suggestion accordingly.

I never heard that happen before, so I don't know the full story.

Sliverus wrote:

Perhaps this one by @huagoose, for example. I know that it was closed, but it was only closed because it was past April Fools Day. It would’ve been completely fine and reasonable for April Fools Day to add a semicolon emoji.

True…

Sliverus wrote:

Basically, what I am getting at is that these sorts of suggestions can work out well sometimes, and while some will not work out, I don’t think it is fair to put an outright ban on all April Fools suggestions just because some are not realistic.

Yes, I agree, it's unfair. But people shouldn't post suggestions that are joke ones after April First.

PaperMarioFan2022 wrote:

Yes, I agree, it's unfair. But people shouldn't post suggestions that are joke ones after April First.

I don’t understand this reasoning. Every suggestion is made before the next April 1st, and after the previous April 1st. It’s completely fine to make a suggestion for the next April 1st, even if there was already an April 1st that came before the suggestion that you’re making.

Sliverus wrote:

I’m not entirely convinced that this suggestion would work out. While yes, I suppose there are plenty of far-fetched suggestions pertaining to April Fools Day, I think there are some suggestions which are not far-fetched, and I think it is unfair that those would be banned as well because of the fact that some other users have made suggestions which are not reasonable.

Similarly, there were plenty of helpful guides on the forums being made that were helpful and not silly or drama-inducing — and yet the moratorium on guides still exists.

PaperMarioFan2022 wrote:

Yes, I agree, it's unfair. But people shouldn't post suggestions that are joke ones after April First.

Suggestions for April Fools Day aren't the same thing as joke suggestions

Za-Chary wrote:

Sliverus wrote:

I’m not entirely convinced that this suggestion would work out. While yes, I suppose there are plenty of far-fetched suggestions pertaining to April Fools Day, I think there are some suggestions which are not far-fetched, and I think it is unfair that those would be banned as well because of the fact that some other users have made suggestions which are not reasonable.

Similarly, there were plenty of helpful guides on the forums being made that were helpful and not silly or drama-inducing — and yet the moratorium on guides still exists.

Wasn't that due to there being too many to all sticky? AFD suggestions don't have that issue, they can just fall off the front page.

rdococ wrote:

PaperMarioFan2022 wrote:

Yes, I agree, it's unfair. But people shouldn't post suggestions that are joke ones after April First.

Suggestions for April Fools Day aren't the same thing as joke suggestions

I should've prepared myself with more research on this…

Za-Chary wrote:

Similarly, there were plenty of helpful guides on the forums being made that were helpful and not silly or drama-inducing — and yet the moratorium on guides still exists.

This is a red herring and I’m not entirely sure it can compare to April Fools Day suggestions. Guides are meant to help users with using the forums (or Scratch in general). But there were many issues:

1. Some users made guides just for the sake of making guides.
   
2. Making more guides also means that less users will read them.
   
3. Maintaining the guides distracted users from helping other users directly.
   
4. Many people used their guides as an authoritative manual that the Scratch Team would endorse.
   
5. Many of these guides could very easily be incorporated into previously-existing guides.
   

But this does not compare to April Fools Day suggestions.

1. People do not make AFD suggestions for the sake of making AFD suggestions.
   
2. Making more AFD suggestions might(?) mean that less users will read them, but the same can be said about any suggestions in the first place. (Plus, I feel like many people read AFD suggestions anyway.)
   
3. Maintaining AFD suggestions does not necessarily distract people from helping others with AFD-related issues directly.
   
4. Many people did not use their AFD suggestions as a suggestion that the Scratch Team would necessarily endorse; they respectfully offer their ideas to the Scratch Team.
   
5. Most AFD suggestions cannot easily be incorporated into previously-existing AFD suggestions.
   

serialnumber404 wrote:

Also, no support because of the fact that the ST ideas for a “good April fools joke” are usually terrible and basically nothing ever happens. If you didn’t know it was April fools day, and there wasn’t a post about it on the front page, the scratch website would seem completely normal (unless in the forums). April fools suggestions are good because the ST is really bad when it comes to April fools pranks. They’be gotten worse and worse over the years.

I'm pretty sure the ST just doesn't want to spend time making jokes for a single day, which will then be removed and possibly not even be used next year. The developers obviously have a lot on their plate, so more time spent on April Fools is less time spent improving the website.

Sliverus wrote:

People do not make AFD suggestions for the sake of making AFD suggestions.

All your logic in that post was reasonable except for this one. There have been plenty of AFD suggestions made for the sake of AFD suggestions, even if the person who made the suggestion doesn't want to admit it. No, I don't think you're one of them. No, I will not say what one of them is (that is gossip).

Why only a moratorium? The problems with these suggestions, mentioned in the OP or not, won't go away with time.

portalpower wrote:

Why only a moratorium? The problems with these suggestions, mentioned in the OP or not, won't go away with time.

Sure, there are issues in some AFD suggestions, but I don’t think that putting an outright ban on all of them is a fair (or useful) way to handle it. What are your thoughts on this suggestion?

Sliverus wrote:

portalpower wrote:

Why only a moratorium? The problems with these suggestions, mentioned in the OP or not, won't go away with time.

Sure, there are issues in some AFD suggestions, but I don’t think that putting an outright ban on all of them is a fair (or useful) way to handle it. What are your thoughts on this suggestion?

Given how immensely flawed these suggestions are by nature, there's no real reason to allow them in the first place. There's also no real reason not to ban them, as they aren't getting considered by ST and therefor serve no purpose.

portalpower wrote:

Given how immensely flawed these suggestions are by nature, there's no real reason to allow them in the first place. There's also no real reason not to ban them, as they aren't getting considered by ST and therefor serve no purpose.

How are they “immensely flawed by nature”? I think it is absolutely reasonable to think that some AFD suggestions, if done right, can be good suggestions. Keep in mind that I am a user who owns an AFD suggestion.

And they do get considered by the Scratch Team. For example, don’t you remember the AFD forum? That came from a suggestion. This post confirms (or at least strongly suggests) that it was the suggestion which caused the Scratch Team to implement it. There is no denying that these suggestions (albeit not all of them) actually help give the Scratch Team ideas for April Fools. It is just a solid fact.

But I have no problem with putting restrictions on some of the more extreme ones (e.g. if there was a suggestion to turn every sprite into Big Chungus for a day). Those suggestions are on the borderline of being joke topics. That is up to the Scratch Team. But I disagree that the problem with these suggestions is inherently the fact that they are meant for April Fools Day.

Bump

I made joke banners suggestion for AFD, so will it be closed?