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MagicCrayon9342
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MichaeIWave wrote:

BreadcatGames wrote:

(#322)

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

BreadcatGames wrote:

Has anyone here actually used Catalyst by @MagicCrayon9342 ? Is it a viable replacement for Google Chrome?
In terms of loading web pages etc, it's Chrome. The only difference between IT and Chrome is the interface and it's features. The UX is designed for and rendered by the Chromium engine. And the webviews are interacted with by the interface. Thought it may have slightly less overhead due to the minimal nature of the program, it's still Chromium. It'll use up to 7x less ram than Chrome in some cases. If you want to use Catalyst, go ahead. However, back to your question of if its a viable replacement. If you want a download manager, password manager, and the like. Then no, but if you want a minimal somewhat light weight interface go right on ahead!
The lightweight RAM usage sounds nice! I'll see if I can try it out.
But it is using electron which means that its a chromium instance (a web browser) and inside that is another web browser.
Precisely, but it still uses less system resources as it uses the rendering engine and doesn't include Chromium itself.
VedanshS933
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MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

MichaeIWave wrote:

BreadcatGames wrote:

(#322)

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

BreadcatGames wrote:

Has anyone here actually used Catalyst by @MagicCrayon9342 ? Is it a viable replacement for Google Chrome?
In terms of loading web pages etc, it's Chrome. The only difference between IT and Chrome is the interface and it's features. The UX is designed for and rendered by the Chromium engine. And the webviews are interacted with by the interface. Thought it may have slightly less overhead due to the minimal nature of the program, it's still Chromium. It'll use up to 7x less ram than Chrome in some cases. If you want to use Catalyst, go ahead. However, back to your question of if its a viable replacement. If you want a download manager, password manager, and the like. Then no, but if you want a minimal somewhat light weight interface go right on ahead!
The lightweight RAM usage sounds nice! I'll see if I can try it out.
But it is using electron which means that its a chromium instance (a web browser) and inside that is another web browser.
Precisely, but it still uses less system resources as it uses the rendering engine and doesn't include Chromium itself.

Nice
MagicCrayon9342
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Please don't use Catalyst Desktop, it's discontinued. It will recieve zero updates and the window for supplemental updates ends February 2023. It will recieve NO updates to the Chromium engine and will become vulnerable to security attacks.
ajskateboarder
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MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

(#325)
Please don't use Catalyst Desktop, it's discontinued. It will recieve zero updates and the window for supplemental updates ends February 2023. It will recieve NO updates to the Chromium engine and will become vulnerable to security attacks.
You probably should've made it with Tauri, not memory-hogging Electron
You have to know a little Rust, but if you learn it, you won't be so hypocritical about OOP either.
Kill two birds with one stone if you know what I mean?
MagicCrayon9342
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ajskateboarder wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

(#325)
Please don't use Catalyst Desktop, it's discontinued. It will recieve zero updates and the window for supplemental updates ends February 2023. It will recieve NO updates to the Chromium engine and will become vulnerable to security attacks.
You probably should've made it with Tauri, not memory-hogging Electron
You have to know a little Rust, but if you learn it, you won't be so hypocritical about OOP either.
Kill two birds with one stone if you know what I mean?
That requires effort.
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MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

(#327)
That requires effort.
How did you learn JavaScript?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
MagicCrayon9342
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ajskateboarder wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

(#327)
That requires effort.
How did you learn JavaScript?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
It's probably the second easiest language to learn, Rust being 53rd.
ScratchCatHELLO
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MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

(#327)

ajskateboarder wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

(#325)
Please don't use Catalyst Desktop, it's discontinued. It will recieve zero updates and the window for supplemental updates ends February 2023. It will recieve NO updates to the Chromium engine and will become vulnerable to security attacks.
You probably should've made it with Tauri, not memory-hogging Electron
You have to know a little Rust, but if you learn it, you won't be so hypocritical about OOP either.
Kill two birds with one stone if you know what I mean?
That requires effort.

it doesn't seem like you actually need to write a line of rust. you can write rust functions if you need performance.

ajskateboarder wrote:

(#326)

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

(#325)
Please don't use Catalyst Desktop, it's discontinued. It will recieve zero updates and the window for supplemental updates ends February 2023. It will recieve NO updates to the Chromium engine and will become vulnerable to security attacks.
You probably should've made it with Tauri, not memory-hogging Electron
You have to know a little Rust, but if you learn it, you won't be so hypocritical about OOP either.
Kill two birds with one stone if you know what I mean?

wow, that's actually really interesting. I've tried writing applications in rust before, but got turned away immediately by trying to figure out how any of it works.
Embarrasment
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Last edited by Embarrasment (Jan. 4, 2023 00:19:35)

Redstone1080
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MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

(#325)
Please don't use Catalyst Desktop, it's discontinued. It will recieve zero updates and the window for supplemental updates ends February 2023. It will recieve NO updates to the Chromium engine and will become vulnerable to security attacks.
You probably should've made it with Tauri, not memory-hogging Electron
You have to know a little Rust, but if you learn it, you won't be so hypocritical about OOP either.
Kill two birds with one stone if you know what I mean?
That requires effort.
So what doesn't require effort? If you want to make software, you gotta put in the effort. You can't just whine and kick and scream about it because “it's too hard.” How do you think Chrome was made? Effort. JavaScript? It was made in 11 days, and that must have required a lot of effort. I know you probably don't want to make stuff of that scale but SERIOUSLY. Please actually consider doing things because they'd be a cool learning experience.
VedanshS933
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Redstone1080 wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

(#325)
Please don't use Catalyst Desktop, it's discontinued. It will recieve zero updates and the window for supplemental updates ends February 2023. It will recieve NO updates to the Chromium engine and will become vulnerable to security attacks.
You probably should've made it with Tauri, not memory-hogging Electron
You have to know a little Rust, but if you learn it, you won't be so hypocritical about OOP either.
Kill two birds with one stone if you know what I mean?
That requires effort.
So what doesn't require effort? If you want to make software, you gotta put in the effort. You can't just whine and kick and scream about it because “it's too hard.” How do you think Chrome was made? Effort. JavaScript? It was made in 11 days, and that must have required a lot of effort. I know you probably don't want to make stuff of that scale but SERIOUSLY. Please actually consider doing things because they'd be a cool learning experience.

Chrome was made in a team. He made it on his own. People making it on it's own will still get difficulties.
Redstone1080
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VedanshS933 wrote:

Redstone1080 wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

(#325)
Please don't use Catalyst Desktop, it's discontinued. It will recieve zero updates and the window for supplemental updates ends February 2023. It will recieve NO updates to the Chromium engine and will become vulnerable to security attacks.
You probably should've made it with Tauri, not memory-hogging Electron
You have to know a little Rust, but if you learn it, you won't be so hypocritical about OOP either.
Kill two birds with one stone if you know what I mean?
That requires effort.
So what doesn't require effort? If you want to make software, you gotta put in the effort. You can't just whine and kick and scream about it because “it's too hard.” How do you think Chrome was made? Effort. JavaScript? It was made in 11 days, and that must have required a lot of effort. I know you probably don't want to make stuff of that scale but SERIOUSLY. Please actually consider doing things because they'd be a cool learning experience.

Chrome was made in a team. He made it on his own. People making it on it's own will still get difficulties.
It's not that. Crayon just doesn't like doing anything because “it's too hard”.
PPPDUD
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MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

(#327)
That requires effort.
How did you learn JavaScript?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
It's probably the second easiest language to learn, Rust being 53rd.
Actually, Python and Scratch are tied up at first place in usability, while JavaScript is stuck way back in 53rd place!
Redstone1080
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PPPDUD wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

(#327)
That requires effort.
How did you learn JavaScript?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
It's probably the second easiest language to learn, Rust being 53rd.
Actually, Python and Scratch are tied up at first place in usability, while JavaScript is stuck way back in 53rd place!
Aw, c'mon, JS isn't that bad. I don't get why people hate on it so much.
MagicCrayon9342
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The fact that I was capable of learning JavaScript puts it in first place of easy-ness
VedanshS933
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MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

The fact that I was capable of learning JavaScript puts it in first place of easy-ness

Nice
VedanshS933
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Can't HTML create a browser? Like make a small one which has all the basic features

60 Second Rule x2
ISTILLMAKESTUFF
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VedanshS933 wrote:

Can't HTML create a browser? Like make a small one which has all the basic features

60 Second Rule x2
Pure HTML?
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ISTILLMAKESTUFF wrote:

VedanshS933 wrote:

Can't HTML create a browser? Like make a small one which has all the basic features

60 Second Rule x2
Pure HTML?

Yeah
qloakonscratch
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VedanshS933 wrote:

ISTILLMAKESTUFF wrote:

VedanshS933 wrote:

Can't HTML create a browser? Like make a small one which has all the basic features

60 Second Rule x2
Pure HTML?

Yeah
with JS, maybe, but I highly doubt it.

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