A few minutes ago, I was searching for a game, The impossible Game, and it showed up around 50th place, the rest were remixes. Please promote non-remixes in keyword searches.

Remove the remix feature altogether. I think Scratch should convert to prioritizing originality over remixing. I've always been disgusted in that feature

Zparx wrote:

Remove the remix feature altogether. I think Scratch should convert to prioritizing originality over remixing. I've always been disgusted in that feature

Imagine - Program - Share

As much as I agree with locking remixing, the ST has been reluctant to change its rules. Too much project theft, not enough credit given, no real sharing whatsoever.

Zparx wrote:

Remove the remix feature altogether. I think Scratch should convert to prioritizing originality over remixing. I've always been disgusted in that feature

How would we learn without remixing? Remixing is ok as long as you make changes.

joshuaho wrote:

Zparx wrote:

Remove the remix feature altogether. I think Scratch should convert to prioritizing originality over remixing. I've always been disgusted in that feature

How would we learn without remixing? Remixing is ok as long as you make changes.

What is there to learn? Everything you need to know is stored inside the project, which you can already view with the “see inside” button (another thing I sort of disagree with), along with countless tutorial projects. I understand Scratch will never take away these features, however. I just think very negatively about them and always will because of theft and the fact that I can't hide anything in my projects. Everything is visible and I'm forever limited because of it.

yeah

Zparx wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Zparx wrote:

Remove the remix feature altogether. I think Scratch should convert to prioritizing originality over remixing. I've always been disgusted in that feature

How would we learn without remixing? Remixing is ok as long as you make changes.

What is there to learn? Everything you need to know is stored inside the project, which you can already view with the “see inside” button (another thing I sort of disagree with), along with countless tutorial projects. I understand Scratch will never take away these features, however. I just think very negatively about them and always will because of theft and the fact that I can't hide anything in my projects. Everything is visible and I'm forever limited because of it.

But what if I want to make a game based off of the code in a project where the code is too long to copy over? I would rather just edit it right there.

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

Zparx wrote:

Remove the remix feature altogether. I think Scratch should convert to prioritizing originality over remixing. I've always been disgusted in that feature

Imagine - Program - Share

As much as I agree with locking remixing, the ST has been reluctant to change its rules. Too much project theft, not enough credit given, no real sharing whatsoever.

I wonder, with so many people wanting this changed, why the Scratch Team doesn't redo that. Nearly all Scratchers would like that (plus or minus a couple).

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

I have an idea to potentially stop art/project theft, though it might or might not work. First you'll need to have a “project opened” detector:

when gf clicked
reset timer

when timer > 0.2
forever
  reset timer
  if (project opened? = 0)
    if (mouse down && (mouse_x > 239 or mouse_y > 179))
      project opened? = 1
  else
    {troll block}

Then you want to cause as much lag as possible to crash the player and make it impossible to download/remix:

when I receive {project opened by thief!}
forever
  turn video on
  wait 3 secs
  turn video off

when I receive  {project opened by thief!}
custom block: create (300) clones (no refresh)

create (#) clones
repeat (#)
  create clone of myself

when I start as clone
custom block: lag (no refresh)

lag
forever
  lag = lag * lag
  lag2 = lag2 + lag
  lag3 = lag3 - lag2
  lag = lag3

//and more stuff if you want

I've never tried making something like this, but geez I think this is overkill for any computer!

EDIT: Alright, guys. I made what I described above. Hope your computer survives trying to remix! Anti-Theft Device

Your project could get flagged for that.

Basically, this is not about remixes in general - I find them good, but they should not steal the spotlight.

I learned much about scratch when I joined through remixing “Small Scape”. Remixing good, spotlightStealing bad.

Laternenpfahl wrote:

Basically, this is not about remixes in general - I find them good, but they should not steal the spotlight.

I learned much about scratch when I joined through remixing “Small Scape”. Remixing good, spotlightStealing bad.

Yeah, I agree. I don't think remixing should be removed, but rather the difference between stealing and remixing should be emphasized. Like a pop-up before sharing a remix saying “Have you made enough changes to this to be part of your work? If so, share it! But copying someone else's project is prohibited as that is stealing!” or something and also one when you drag something in from your backpack, “Does this work of art, music, or script belong to someone else? If so, please give credit to them in the credits section of the project notes or somewhere else suitable. Also, please note that taking all of a project's sprites and putting it into a new project to copy it is not allowed.” Something like that.

kayybee wrote:

Laternenpfahl wrote:

Basically, this is not about remixes in general - I find them good, but they should not steal the spotlight.

I learned much about scratch when I joined through remixing “Small Scape”. Remixing good, spotlightStealing bad.

Yeah, I agree. I don't think remixing should be removed, but rather the difference between stealing and remixing should be emphasized. Like a pop-up before sharing a remix saying “Have you made enough changes to this to be part of your work? If so, share it! But copying someone else's project is prohibited as that is stealing!” or something and also one when you drag something in from your backpack, “Does this work of art, music, or script belong to someone else? If so, please give credit to them in the credits section of the project notes or somewhere else suitable. Also, please note that taking all of a project's sprites and putting it into a new project to copy it is not allowed.” Something like that.

I was thinking something in the sprites' info that says something about "current costume: by: “ and for the scripts extend a piece of the first block in a script to say ”by: " that way credit is given automatically. Maybe something in the remix area it could also have a Credit link to see who did what to help this project and the user can also give credit themselves to people.

Zparx wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Zparx wrote:

Remove the remix feature altogether. I think Scratch should convert to prioritizing originality over remixing. I've always been disgusted in that feature

How would we learn without remixing? Remixing is ok as long as you make changes.

What is there to learn? Everything you need to know is stored inside the project, which you can already view with the “see inside” button (another thing I sort of disagree with), along with countless tutorial projects. I understand Scratch will never take away these features, however. I just think very negatively about them and always will because of theft and the fact that I can't hide anything in my projects. Everything is visible and I'm forever limited because of it.

Remixing helps because you can take something and experiment with it. You could try lots from a project. Taking a project and adding to it will make a brand new project! That is learning. However, copying a project, remixing without giving credit(taking credit that belongs to someone else) would not be ok as it is not “sharing the cake.”

joshuaho wrote:

Zparx wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Zparx wrote:

Remove the remix feature altogether. I think Scratch should convert to prioritizing originality over remixing. I've always been disgusted in that feature

How would we learn without remixing? Remixing is ok as long as you make changes.

What is there to learn? Everything you need to know is stored inside the project, which you can already view with the “see inside” button (another thing I sort of disagree with), along with countless tutorial projects. I understand Scratch will never take away these features, however. I just think very negatively about them and always will because of theft and the fact that I can't hide anything in my projects. Everything is visible and I'm forever limited because of it.

Remixing helps because you can take something and experiment with it. That is learning.

Well, let's say a new Scratcher sees the inside scripting of a popular game. Being new, he/she doesn't understand any of the programming inside. So instead of exiting the editor, he/she remixes the project as an exact copy of the original. Unable to learn how it works, he/she assumes ownership and ignores any request for giving credit.

There's a major difference between remixing and stealing.

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Zparx wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Zparx wrote:

Remove the remix feature altogether. I think Scratch should convert to prioritizing originality over remixing. I've always been disgusted in that feature

How would we learn without remixing? Remixing is ok as long as you make changes.

What is there to learn? Everything you need to know is stored inside the project, which you can already view with the “see inside” button (another thing I sort of disagree with), along with countless tutorial projects. I understand Scratch will never take away these features, however. I just think very negatively about them and always will because of theft and the fact that I can't hide anything in my projects. Everything is visible and I'm forever limited because of it.

Remixing helps because you can take something and experiment with it. That is learning.

Well, let's say a new Scratcher sees the inside scripting of a popular game. Being new, he/she doesn't understand any of the programming inside. So instead of exiting the editor, he/she remixes the project as an exact copy of the original. Unable to learn how it works, he/she assumes ownership and ignores any request for giving credit.

There's a major difference between remixing and stealing.

That is project copying, not remixing. In that case, if we flag the project, he/she might just get a admin message. That scratcher will very likely delete the project and know that it is not right to copy. If you fear that a scratcher will copy your project, you can say “no copyong” in your project notes.

joshuaho wrote:

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Zparx wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Zparx wrote:

Remove the remix feature altogether. I think Scratch should convert to prioritizing originality over remixing. I've always been disgusted in that feature

How would we learn without remixing? Remixing is ok as long as you make changes.

What is there to learn? Everything you need to know is stored inside the project, which you can already view with the “see inside” button (another thing I sort of disagree with), along with countless tutorial projects. I understand Scratch will never take away these features, however. I just think very negatively about them and always will because of theft and the fact that I can't hide anything in my projects. Everything is visible and I'm forever limited because of it.

Remixing helps because you can take something and experiment with it. That is learning.

Well, let's say a new Scratcher sees the inside scripting of a popular game. Being new, he/she doesn't understand any of the programming inside. So instead of exiting the editor, he/she remixes the project as an exact copy of the original. Unable to learn how it works, he/she assumes ownership and ignores any request for giving credit.

There's a major difference between remixing and stealing.

That is project copying, not remixing. In that case, if we flag the project, he/she might just get a admin message. That scratcher will very likely delete the project and know that it is not right to copy. If you fear that a scratcher will copy your project, you can say “no copying” in your project notes.

Thieves don't care if you don't want your project copied. They'll do it anyways. And we can't just flag a project someone remixed. The ST goes by the motto and if we try to prevent remixing, we're going against Scratch. :S ST, we really need your help.

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Zparx wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Zparx wrote:

Remove the remix feature altogether. I think Scratch should convert to prioritizing originality over remixing. I've always been disgusted in that feature

How would we learn without remixing? Remixing is ok as long as you make changes.

What is there to learn? Everything you need to know is stored inside the project, which you can already view with the “see inside” button (another thing I sort of disagree with), along with countless tutorial projects. I understand Scratch will never take away these features, however. I just think very negatively about them and always will because of theft and the fact that I can't hide anything in my projects. Everything is visible and I'm forever limited because of it.

Remixing helps because you can take something and experiment with it. That is learning.

Well, let's say a new Scratcher sees the inside scripting of a popular game. Being new, he/she doesn't understand any of the programming inside. So instead of exiting the editor, he/she remixes the project as an exact copy of the original. Unable to learn how it works, he/she as6sumes ownership and ignores any request for giving credit.

There's a major difference between remixing and stealing.

That is project copying, not remixing. In that case, if we flag the project, he/she might just get a admin message. That scratcher will very likely delete the project and know that it is not right to copy. If you fear that a scratcher will copy your project, you can say “no copying” in your project notes.

Thieves don't care if you don't want your project copied. They'll do it anyways. And we can't just flag a project someone remixed. The ST goes by the motto and if we try to prevent remixing, we're going against Scratch. :S ST, we really need your help.

There really is no way to prevent theft. We can't just flag a remix, that is true. But we can flag a copy. If we flag a remix, that is only if despite continous efferts, the remixer still does not give credit. But remixing helps, and is a way to learn. I just don't know why some want to stop remixing.

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

Well, let's say a new Scratcher sees the inside scripting of a popular game. Being new, he/she doesn't understand any of the programming inside. So instead of exiting the editor, he/she remixes the project as an exact copy of the original. Unable to learn how it works, he/she assumes ownership and ignores any request for giving credit.

There's a major difference between remixing and stealing.

Okay, I think your logic flow is a little flawed here.
I cannot learn something from this>It is mine>I no longer take advice from anyone
That's not quite logical… (I cannot learn anything from this quantum physics book>I wrote it???)

But anyway…
If we do include that message I mentioned earlier or something like it, new scratchers will learn about remixes/copies, perhaps it would help.

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

I have an idea to potentially stop art/project theft, though it might or might not work. First you'll need to have a “project opened” detector:

when gf clicked
reset timer

when timer > 0.2
forever
  reset timer
  if (project opened? = 0)
    if (mouse down && (mouse_x > 239 or mouse_y > 179))
      project opened? = 1
  else
    {troll block}

Then you want to cause as much lag as possible to crash the player and make it impossible to download/remix:

when I receive {project opened by thief!}
forever
  turn video on
  wait 3 secs
  turn video off

when I receive  {project opened by thief!}
custom block: create (300) clones (no refresh)

create (#) clones
repeat (#)
  create clone of myself

when I start as clone
custom block: lag (no refresh)

lag
forever
  lag = lag * lag
  lag2 = lag2 + lag
  lag3 = lag3 - lag2
  lag = lag3

//and more stuff if you want

I've never tried making something like this, but geez I think this is overkill for any computer!

EDIT: Alright, guys. I made what I described above. Hope this solves the theft problem! Anti-Theft Device

WHY!?!?
You're preventing people from seeing inside projects!!?!?!?
How will new scratchers learn scripts!?!?

dracae wrote:

WHY!?!?
You're preventing people from seeing inside projects!!?!?!?
How will new scratchers learn scripts!?!?

I'm doing whatever it takes to discourage art and project theft, even if it means crashing computers. People are depending on brilliant minds to save their projects from being stolen.
Do you have ideas?