Joyoforigami wrote:

A big problem im having is people saying “F4F greedy bad evil”. Like ummm… sure it's not the BEST way to get followers, but sometimes F4F is a good way to meet new friends and stuff. I remember the scratch team having a post that F4F is 100% ok, so calling it “bad” and “greedy” seems a far stretch…

Oh also the problem with generic platformers.

The levels are usually somewhat different, making them actually fun.

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#263)

Joyoforigami wrote:

A big problem im having is people saying “F4F greedy bad evil”. Like ummm… sure it's not the BEST way to get followers, but sometimes F4F is a good way to meet new friends and stuff. I remember the scratch team having a post that F4F is 100% ok, so calling it “bad” and “greedy” seems a far stretch…

Oh also the problem with generic platformers.

The levels are usually somewhat different, making them actually fun.

This suggestion is about not letting people make studios dedicated to getting rid of f4f and ads completely.

sharkode wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#263)

Joyoforigami wrote:

A big problem im having is people saying “F4F greedy bad evil”. Like ummm… sure it's not the BEST way to get followers, but sometimes F4F is a good way to meet new friends and stuff. I remember the scratch team having a post that F4F is 100% ok, so calling it “bad” and “greedy” seems a far stretch…

Oh also the problem with generic platformers.

The levels are usually somewhat different, making them actually fun.

This suggestion is about not letting people make studios dedicated to getting rid of f4f and ads completely.

They are rejected, but rejecting a suggestion means “We will not implement this suggestion” and not “You are not allowed to think that this suggestion is good” these two things is completely different, and you guys seems to have mixed it up.

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DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#214)

dave-alt-4 wrote:

u dont get banned for advertising (unless u advertise so much) , why would someone get banned for making a no advertising project?

I think there has been some miscommunication, ban, as it is used in this case, means no longer allowing things specifically made to “stop f4f” or “stop ads”.

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#265)

sharkode wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#263)

Joyoforigami wrote:

A big problem im having is people saying “F4F greedy bad evil”. Like ummm… sure it's not the BEST way to get followers, but sometimes F4F is a good way to meet new friends and stuff. I remember the scratch team having a post that F4F is 100% ok, so calling it “bad” and “greedy” seems a far stretch…

Oh also the problem with generic platformers.

The levels are usually somewhat different, making them actually fun.

This suggestion is about not letting people make studios dedicated to getting rid of f4f and ads completely.

They are rejected, but rejecting a suggestion means “We will not implement this suggestion” and not “You are not allowed to think that this suggestion is good” these two things is completely different, and you guys seems to have mixed it up.

I fail to see how this is relevant to what I said.

VeryFamus wrote:

(#241)

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

VeryFamus wrote:

Support. These studios just spread false messages and say that that f4f and advertising are bad, when they are, indeed, allowed.

people are allowed to think things that are allowed are bad

Yes, they are, but why make a studio for it? You can just say it in a comment or put it on your What I’m working on or About me. No need to make a studio for it. You can complain, but just why? Besides, if you don’t like it, you can just reply to their comment saying “please don’t advertise” or “sorry, I don’t do F4F”.

sharkode wrote:

By “they are rejected” I meant banning f4f and ads are rejected, but that doens't mean you're allowed to criticise them.

sharkode wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#214)

dave-alt-4 wrote:

u dont get banned for advertising (unless u advertise so much) , why would someone get banned for making a no advertising project?

I think there has been some miscommunication, ban, as it is used in this case, means no longer allowing things specifically made to “stop f4f” or “stop ads”.

I strongly disagree with you, if you go to someone else's profile and say “Stop doing f4f you %&*#!@$*#” then that shouldn't be allowed, and it's already banned, but if you said “f4f is bad” and you get banned from the site then that's a violation of freedom of speech.

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#270)

sharkode wrote:

By “they are rejected” I meant banning f4f and ads are rejected, but that doens't mean you're allowed to criticise them.

We've been over this… we're not trying to prevent criticism of f4f and ads, we're trying to prevent other people from making studios dedicated to stopping ads and f4f. This has been said many times and it never seems to click.

sharkode wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#214)

dave-alt-4 wrote:

u dont get banned for advertising (unless u advertise so much) , why would someone get banned for making a no advertising project?

I think there has been some miscommunication, ban, as it is used in this case, means no longer allowing things specifically made to “stop f4f” or “stop ads”.

I strongly disagree with you, if you go to someone else's profile and say “Stop doing f4f you %&*#!@$*#” then that shouldn't be allowed, and it's already banned, but if you said “f4f is bad” and you get banned from the site then that's a violation of freedom of speech.

Stop with the freedom of speech argument already. By your logic, literally any website with a community guidelines that prevents people from speaking certain opinions are violating free speech.

VeryFamus wrote:

(#243)

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

VeryFamus wrote:

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

VeryFamus wrote:

Support. These studios just spread false messages and say that that f4f and advertising are bad, when they are, indeed, allowed.

people are allowed to think things that are allowed are bad

Yes, they are, but why make a studio for it? You can just say it in a comment or put it on your What I’m working on or About me. No need to make a studio for it. You can complain, but just why? Besides, if you don’t like it, you can just reply to their comment saying “please don’t advertise” or “sorry, I don’t do F4F”.

to convince other people and to explain to people where it is good to advertise (eg. show and tell)

Why do you need to convince other people? What the people are doing is perfectly fine. Nothing wrong with advertising and F4F. Besides, you can do that in a simple comment.

sharkode wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#270)

sharkode wrote:

By “they are rejected” I meant banning f4f and ads are rejected, but that doens't mean you're allowed to criticise them.

We've been over this… we're not trying to prevent criticism of f4f and ads, we're trying to prevent other people from making studios dedicated to stopping ads and f4f. This has been said many times and it never seems to click.

sharkode wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#214)

dave-alt-4 wrote:

u dont get banned for advertising (unless u advertise so much) , why would someone get banned for making a no advertising project?

I think there has been some miscommunication, ban, as it is used in this case, means no longer allowing things specifically made to “stop f4f” or “stop ads”.

I strongly disagree with you, if you go to someone else's profile and say “Stop doing f4f you %&*#!@$*#” then that shouldn't be allowed, and it's already banned, but if you said “f4f is bad” and you get banned from the site then that's a violation of freedom of speech.

Stop with the freedom of speech argument already. By your logic, literally any website with a community guidelines that prevents people from speaking certain opinions are violating free speech.

Most of banned opinions are extremist or hateful opinions like Nazism or communism, I don't see how “f4f is bad” is similar to them in any ways.

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#273)

sharkode wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#270)

sharkode wrote:

By “they are rejected” I meant banning f4f and ads are rejected, but that doens't mean you're allowed to criticise them.

We've been over this… we're not trying to prevent criticism of f4f and ads, we're trying to prevent other people from making studios dedicated to stopping ads and f4f. This has been said many times and it never seems to click.

sharkode wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#214)

dave-alt-4 wrote:

u dont get banned for advertising (unless u advertise so much) , why would someone get banned for making a no advertising project?

I think there has been some miscommunication, ban, as it is used in this case, means no longer allowing things specifically made to “stop f4f” or “stop ads”.

I strongly disagree with you, if you go to someone else's profile and say “Stop doing f4f you %&*#!@$*#” then that shouldn't be allowed, and it's already banned, but if you said “f4f is bad” and you get banned from the site then that's a violation of freedom of speech.

Stop with the freedom of speech argument already. By your logic, literally any website with a community guidelines that prevents people from speaking certain opinions are violating free speech.

Most of banned opinions are extremist or hateful opinions like Nazism or communism, I don't see how “f4f is bad” is similar to them in any ways.

Now you're just making a comparison that no one prior to you made.

sharkode wrote:

It's still spammy and annoying sometimes, especially if you specifically say “I don't do f4f” in your bio.

RL1123 wrote:

(#275)

sharkode wrote:

It's still spammy and annoying sometimes, especially if you specifically say “I don't do f4f” in your bio.

Just like all spam, ignore it or politely tell them that you don't do F4F.

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#185)

magiccodegirl678 wrote:

bump…

Also, I have a question. Would studios and projects saying that the studio update is ruining Scratch fall into this category? Since it hasn't really “ruined” Scratch, they sound like they are spreading lies too. Also, they aren't very constructive, saying things like “Bring back the old studios!!!”, which is rejected.

As long as the studio isn't breaking any rules, (such as naming/linking to browser extensions or insulting the ST/Scratchers that support the update) then it simply does nothing.

GoboThePlant wrote:

A project which only contained a square, grass and spikes could get up to 5000 loves. A platformer, an exact copy of others and only colours were changed, got on trending. Is this what we are looking for?

This contradicts the remixing policy; you are allowed to build, redistribute and share any intellectual property on Scratch by the Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0). If you share any intellectual property on Scratch, you are giving users the automatic privilege of building on your property only if they give appropriate credit to the original distributor of the built property. Therefore, the project can be treated as a restriction on recolors/remixing.

sharkode wrote:

GoboThePlant wrote:

A project which only contained a square, grass and spikes could get up to 5000 loves. A platformer, an exact copy of others and only colours were changed, got on trending. Is this what we are looking for?

This contradicts the remixing policy; you are allowed to build, redistribute and share any intellectual property on Scratch by the Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0). If you share any intellectual property on Scratch, you are giving users the automatic privilege of building on your property only if they give appropriate credit to the original distributor of the built property. Therefore, the project can be treated as a restriction on recolors/remixing.

So your logic is “this is legal so people shouldn't be allowed to criticise it”

DarthVader4Life wrote:

(#279)

sharkode wrote:

GoboThePlant wrote:

A project which only contained a square, grass and spikes could get up to 5000 loves. A platformer, an exact copy of others and only colours were changed, got on trending. Is this what we are looking for?

This contradicts the remixing policy; you are allowed to build, redistribute and share any intellectual property on Scratch by the Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0). If you share any intellectual property on Scratch, you are giving users the automatic privilege of building on your property only if they give appropriate credit to the original distributor of the built property. Therefore, the project can be treated as a restriction on recolors/remixing.

So your logic is “this is legal so people shouldn't be allowed to criticise it”

For the last time, NO.
The logic isn't “ban anti-f4f/ads”, it's “get rid of the stuff actively trying to harass and spam people that do f4f and ads”.