Allow banned users to see more pages

portalpower

portalpower wrote:
The one time I'm happy portalpower2 is still banned.
No, from what I've tested, the only pages in the domain (other than banned-response) they can access are these:
Community Guidelines
Terms of Use
Privacy Policy
Statistics
And not Contact Us for some reason. (Why?)

(source)
Right now, some pages are blocked for banned users when it would make more sense to have them unblocked. Here are the pages I think we should have unblocked:
Definitely (Helpful for banned people.):

Contact Us (So permabanned accounts can get unbanned when the appeal box doesn't show up.)
DMCA (It is a rules page and I've seen people get banned over copyright misunderstandings.)
Account Settings (For securing or deleting banned accounts.)

(Note: the point of bans is to keep the community safe, not just to make sure banned users can't code.)
Probably (So banned users can use scratch without hurting the community.):

Download
Project editor
My Stuff
Ideas

Maybe (Harmless but pointless.):

Everything else in the footer (except the forums)

(Note: most of these can be accessed by logging out.)

This list is centered around the idea that banned users can access as much of scratch as possible without giving them access to the community (since the statistics page isn't blocked). There are probably other ideas for lists so feel free to post them.

Last edited by portalpower (April 6, 2022 00:48:56)

YtArie5

Would the share button be gone for unbanned users?
I guess that's implied, but I'm still asking

portalpower

YtArie5 wrote:
Would the share button be gone for unbanned users?
I guess that's implied, but I'm still asking

Yes, also the project pages themselves would be blocked.

portalpower

Bump.

portalpower

Bump cuz this thing keeps getting pushed out of existence.

tornadoyay1

I agree, banned people should still be able to use the website. Although maybe the Scratch Family section and Scratch Wiki in the footer shouldn't be included because people might use it to interact with the community in other ways, therefore defeating the point of the ban.

portalpower

tornadoyay1 wrote:
I agree, banned people should still be able to use the website. Although maybe the Scratch Family section and Scratch Wiki in the footer shouldn't be included because people might use it to interact with the community in other ways, therefore defeating the point of the ban.

The wiki is outside of the scratch.mit.edu domain so it's impossible to ban it. You can't use wiki accounts while you're banned anyway.

You also just can't interact with the community through the Scratch Family section anyway. ScratchEd is an archive so you can only look at it and ScratchJr is an offline editor.

jackson49

portalpower wrote:
You can't use wiki accounts while you're banned anyway.

That's not entirely true. Being banned on Scratch doesn't necessarily mean that you'll be banned on the wiki.

Also, I think this suggestion is a good idea. There's really no way that this could hurt anyone, and there's no reason to stop banned users from accessing the nonsocial parts of Scratch.

The only possible problem I see is allowing banned users to use the online project editor. Hypothetically, they could make inappropriate projects and share the link outside of Scratch. Even if the project was unshared, it would be accessible using something like forkphorus. I don't really see why anyone would do that though.

Last edited by jackson49 (April 22, 2022 02:52:10)

Za-Chary

portalpower wrote:
DMCA (It is a rules page and I've seen people get banned over copyright misunderstandings.)

Do note that they can already see this page by being logged out. Inconvenient, sure — but not prohibited, in a sense.

dhuls

Za-Chary wrote:
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portalpower wrote:
DMCA (It is a rules page and I've seen people get banned over copyright misunderstandings.)
Do note that they can already see this page by being logged out. Inconvenient, sure — but not prohibited, in a sense.

This also applies to

Contact Us
Download
Editor
Ideas

So basically everything this suggestion wants to allow, with the exception of Settings and My Stuff (and if you have the link in your browser history, you can just use Turbowarp to download the project)

portalpower

Za-Chary wrote:
portalpower wrote:
DMCA (It is a rules page and I've seen people get banned over copyright misunderstandings.)
Do note that they can already see this page by being logged out. Inconvenient, sure — but not prohibited, in a sense.

But It might not occur to the banned user to do that but okay.

portalpower

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Eagle138

I support for everything in the Definitely section (not sure about the other sections yet). There's no reason why a banned Scratch user shouldn't be able to access these pages; they could help the user get a better understanding of why they were banned.

InternetExplorer8

Make that they have their account with account management pages and all features of someone who is not logged in, you could log off to continue viewing so why not leave it. But I'd disable Sharing, commenting, forum posting and allow contact us because it is required to contact the Scratch Team if you have been for example banned for no reason. I would also made such a banner bar like when your email isn't verified but that tells you you have been banned until the time when the ban ends and disallow creating studios.

I've never been banned but that's what I think…

portalpower

InternetExplorer8 wrote:
Make that they have their account with account management pages and all features of someone who is not logged in, you could log off to continue viewing so why not leave it. But I'd disable Sharing, commenting, forum posting and allow contact us because it is required to contact the Scratch Team if you have been for example banned for no reason. I would also made such a banner bar like when your email isn't verified but that tells you you have been banned until the time when the ban ends and disallow creating studios.

I've never been banned but that's what I think…

Adding all the community pages would make ST have to disable a lot of things which would take lots of extra time and money and there is the threat of us forgetting something. It would be more beneficial to leave those pages out.

Gato_Amigo111

Support.
I see how this could be useful.

290Scratcher

portalpower wrote:
InternetExplorer8 wrote:
Make that they have their account with account management pages and all features of someone who is not logged in, you could log off to continue viewing so why not leave it. But I'd disable Sharing, commenting, forum posting and allow contact us because it is required to contact the Scratch Team if you have been for example banned for no reason. I would also made such a banner bar like when your email isn't verified but that tells you you have been banned until the time when the ban ends and disallow creating studios.

I've never been banned but that's what I think…
Adding all the community pages would make ST have to disable a lot of things which would take lots of extra time and money and there is the threat of us forgetting something. It would be more beneficial to leave those pages out.

Could it not just act the same way as if they were logged out?

doodleblues

huge support …
I have one blocked account that was shared with somebody else And letting the Account Settings button open would make it so much easier to delete such an account…

M1mikyu

I agree, this would definitely be helpful. Someone might want to unshare a project that they don’t want people to look at anymore for one reason or another, but can’t as they’re unable to access my stuff. (I made a suggestion about this a while back actually)

I think as long as a banned user can’t post/share content, there really is no harm in letting them VIEW the site. At least depending on the reason why they were banned.

ideapad-320

portalpower wrote:
portalpower wrote:
The one time I'm happy portalpower2 is still banned.
No, from what I've tested, the only pages in the domain (other than banned-response) they can access are these:
Community Guidelines
Terms of Use
Privacy Policy
Statistics
And not Contact Us for some reason. (Why?)
(source)
Right now, some pages are blocked for banned users when it would make more sense to have them unblocked. Here are the pages I think we should have unblocked:
Definitely (Helpful for banned people.):
Contact Us (So permabanned accounts can get unbanned when the appeal box doesn't show up.)
DMCA (It is a rules page and I've seen people get banned over copyright misunderstandings.)
Account Settings (For securing or deleting banned accounts.)
(Note: the point of bans is to keep the community safe, not just to make sure banned users can't code.)
Probably (So banned users can use scratch without hurting the community.):
Download
Project editor
My Stuff
Ideas
Maybe (Harmless but pointless.):
Everything else in the footer (except the forums)

(Note: most of these can be accessed by logging out.)

This list is centered around the idea that banned users can access as much of scratch as possible without giving them access to the community (since the statistics page isn't blocked). There are probably other ideas for lists so feel free to post them.

And ALL for autobanned people definitly

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