Ban studios, users, collabs and projects for stopping f4f and ads or any other related subject

Tunde123

DarthVader4Life wrote:
Tunde123 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
Tunde123 wrote:
No support because not all studios are fame hungry.
What?
What I meant was, not all studios that are created want fame. Some just want to have a community or some are just for reasons I don't even know.
*Visible confusion* That's… not what this suggestion is about.

Maybe I didn't read it correctly.

han614698

Tunde123 wrote:
DarthVader4Life wrote:
Tunde123 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
Tunde123 wrote:
No support because not all studios are fame hungry.
What?
What I meant was, not all studios that are created want fame. Some just want to have a community or some are just for reasons I don't even know.
*Visible confusion* That's… not what this suggestion is about.
Maybe I didn't read it correctly.

Not really even close.

This is about banning things trying to stop f4f…

TheClaw7654

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magiccodegirl678

bump…

Also, I have a question. Would studios and projects saying that the studio update is ruining Scratch fall into this category? Since it hasn't really “ruined” Scratch, they sound like they are spreading lies too. Also, they aren't very constructive, saying things like “Bring back the old studios!!!”, which is rejected.

DarthVader4Life

magiccodegirl678 wrote:
bump…

Also, I have a question. Would studios and projects saying that the studio update is ruining Scratch fall into this category? Since it hasn't really “ruined” Scratch, they sound like they are spreading lies too. Also, they aren't very constructive, saying things like “Bring back the old studios!!!”, which is rejected.

As long as the studio isn't breaking any rules, (such as naming/linking to browser extensions or insulting the ST/Scratchers that support the update) then it simply does nothing.

Joyoforigami

So I once saw this project that said, “Look all platformers are the same they have a character and some ground and the character can jump around!” Uh but, ISN’T THAT THE WHOLE POINT OF PLATFORMERS? YOU GET A CHARACTER AND SOME GROUND AND LET THE CHARACTER JUMP AROUND!

Another one basically showed an image of 2018 trending and 2021 trending. In 2018, the world was apparently filled with cool stuff and 2021 is all generic. Actually, in the 2018 image, 90% of trending was platformers, and currently, only 25% of trending is platformers.

This is another reason. People exaggerate. This can lead to bias.

Last edited by Joyoforigami (Aug. 29, 2021 02:13:11)

TheSmartGuy1234

GoboThePlant wrote:
I have been invited to one of these unsensible studios. These studios, however, are stating that being “fame hungry” is frowned (specifically f4f and ads which are rejected). They also comply that Scratch is a backward, “toxic wasteland”(lol) website which is not true. The pandemic caused a spike in the user count, thus proportionally increasing “toxic” users.
For wantings of examples, here it is from multiple studios I have found.
-if you see someone stealing art/code/ect. you can kindly ask them to give credit to the original creator or asking nicely to stop
In most scenarios, them defines as a Scratcher you are unfamiliar with, therefore yielding this as true.

The SSA is trying to save Scratch by stopping false reporters, haters, fame-seekers,
Because people are banning me in my other accounts.
“False” reporters can take down a project, but they don't necessarily “ban” Scratchers (most targeting famous ones). Fame is allowed because you can use it as motivation.

Scratch is losing its wonderful Scratchers.
The quote above is exaggerating the loss caused by toxicness while Scratch's user count is increasing due to the pandemic but also increasing toxic users and users.

Many people are leaving because of the system being run down over time and people trying there best to advertise
Advertising and f4f are allowed as per here; although you can set custom rules for your profile and property as studios, projects etc.

This is a quote given by a project.
A project which only contained a square, grass and spikes could get up to 5000 loves. A platformer, an exact copy of others and only colours were changed, got on trending. Is this what we are looking for?
This contradicts the remixing policy; you are allowed to build, redistribute and share any intellectual property on Scratch by the Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0). If you share any intellectual property on Scratch, you are giving users the automatic privilege of building on your property only if they give appropriate credit to the original distributor of the built property. Therefore, the project can be treated as a restriction on recolors/remixing.

If you believe that none should remix/recolor, you are allowed to not share your property as in the Scratch website.

I am not stating to ban any collaboration/project/studio against cyber-bullying. Furthermore, I don't want to ban personal opinions (ex. “In my opinion, fame is bad”) The only thing that I want to ban is media directing all users to retain fame (ex. “You shouldn't look for fame”) and the arguments that I enlisted above.

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FAQ
But you can report media that gives false information.
This is a much more common trend (#SFFF {stop fighting for fame} and other variations) than simple comments, therefore, we should ban it.

A typical uncultured studio ranting about fame will contain lists (ex. ads, f4f, fame chasing).

hmm… support?

REASON: because the studios 1. says that recolors should not be allowed (which is against the community guidelines) and 2. the fact there not pressing the “report” button and instead going “I'M GONNA TELL EVERY ONE 'BOUT THIS ADDDVERTISSING!!!!!!!” is also againest the community guidelines. And you have the option to quit scratch anyways

P.S. the “just ask them to give credit” part is against the community guidelines

Last edited by TheSmartGuy1234 (Sept. 12, 2021 04:15:05)

Dotumantaraye

TheSmartGuy1234 wrote:
GoboThePlant wrote:
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hmm… support?

please snip pls
on a side note, as you seem new to the suggestions forum category thing (I don't know what to call it), it's generally not good to just say support without stating a reason. so uh, state your reason I guess!

…or not.

Last edited by Dotumantaraye (Aug. 29, 2021 06:41:44)

TheClaw7654

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dertermenter

Tunde123 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
Tunde123 wrote:
No support because not all studios are fame hungry.
What?
What I meant was, not all studios that are created want fame. Some just want to have a community or some are just for reasons I don't even know.

This suggestion is about removing studios,users etc that hate on f4f ands ads (when is allowed) which may make the users upset if they do one of those things.

Rainbow_Territory wrote:
Yeah I'm 99% sure this won't be accepted

Why is that?

ScratchCatHELLO

GoboThePlant wrote:
These studios, however, are stating that being “fame hungry” is frowned (specifically f4f and ads which are rejected).

you’re allowed to dislike f4f and ads and ask people not to do them. but you can’t report them or force them to stop. if you spread lies about f4f being banned, then that’s reportable.

GoboThePlant wrote:
The quote above is exaggerating the loss caused by toxicness while Scratch's user count is increasing due to the pandemic but also increasing toxic users and users.

it’s an exaggeration for sure, but I don’t see why that’s a reason to completely ban all of these studios.

GoboThePlant wrote:
A project which only contained a square, grass and spikes could get up to 5000 loves. A platformer, an exact copy of others and only colours were changed, got on trending. Is this what we are looking for?
This contradicts the remixing policy; you are allowed to build, redistribute and share any intellectual property on Scratch by the Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0). If you share any intellectual property on Scratch, you are giving users the automatic privilege of building on your property only if they give appropriate credit to the original distributor of the built property. Therefore, the project can be treated as a restriction on recolors/remixing.

you’re misunderstanding this. they’re not saying remixing is bad, they’re questioning why lower-effort projects are getting on trending instead of higher-quality projects. (at least it seems so)

GoboThePlant wrote:
But you can report media that gives false information.
This is a much more common trend (#SFFF {stop fighting for fame} and other variations) than simple comments, therefore, we should ban it.

it’s already banned, though.

ScratchCatHELLO

Joyoforigami wrote:
So I once saw this project that said, “Look all platformers are the same they have a character and some ground and the character can jump around!” Uh but, ISN’T THAT THE WHOLE POINT OF PLATFORMERS? YOU GET A CHARACTER AND SOME GROUND AND LET THE CHARACTER JUMP AROUND!

what the project was probably referring to was the lack of originality in most popular platformers (most have similar projects and the same mechanics)

but it’s not as much of a thing anymore.

TheSmartGuy1234

Most controversial forum thingy ever

-0Nebula0-

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-TWILIGHTMISTY-

Support, #SaveScratch and similar movements cause a hell lotta drama and gossip.

kat-coder

Support! Because all the “Stop doing something” studios cause a WHOLE LOT of drama, gossip, and bullying.

ScratchCatHELLO

as long as the studios aren't forcing their beliefs on others, why does it matter? if a certain group agrees not to do a specific thing, why is that a problem? if they're reporting people or spreading false information. that's already banned. just report the cases individually. no support.

-0Nebula0-

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:
as long as the studios aren't forcing their beliefs on others, why does it matter? if a certain group agrees not to do a specific thing, why is that a problem? if they're reporting people or spreading false information. that's already banned. just report the cases individually. no support.

what about an “anti recoloring studio”, where people who don't like recoloring join together and add projects they don't want recolored?

ScratchCatHELLO

-0Nebula0- wrote:
ScratchCatHELLO wrote:
as long as the studios aren't forcing their beliefs on others, why does it matter? if a certain group agrees not to do a specific thing, why is that a problem? if they're reporting people or spreading false information. that's already banned. just report the cases individually. no support.
what about an “anti recoloring studio”, where people who don't like recoloring join together and add projects they don't want recolored?

that's not allowed
also it doesn't really matter because they can't stop people from pressing a button

ScratchCatMini

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Last edited by ScratchCatMini (Oct. 1, 2021 14:28:04)

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