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- MiintyFluff
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
They should've gone to a different website with a different target audience.Yeah, that's why credit exists as a requirement.-snip-
But there is a change. So it's modifying the work, not stealing it.
yeah, it's a change, but it's hardly a valid one. switching a few colors doesn't make it yours.
credit is nice and all, but what if the artist didn't want it to be recolored or remixed in the first place-? they should give permission to first
what if they don't have access to a different website/are too young? what if they're making an animation and want to use coding to do that?
- Yeetoburro1
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
Can we please stop ignoring the fact that this suggestion is kind of illegal?
- puppycutest
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
Snap!They should've gone to a different website with a different target audience.Yeah, that's why credit exists as a requirement.-snip-
But there is a change. So it's modifying the work, not stealing it.
yeah, it's a change, but it's hardly a valid one. switching a few colors doesn't make it yours.
credit is nice and all, but what if the artist didn't want it to be recolored or remixed in the first place-? they should give permission to first
what if they don't have access to a different website/are too young? what if they're making an animation and want to use coding to do that?
- DarthVader4Life
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
Guys, the quote trains are getting long. Please start snipping your posts.
I will be reporting if you don't as it's actually considered spam.
I will be reporting if you don't as it's actually considered spam.
Last edited by DarthVader4Life (June 2, 2021 21:06:43)
- MiintyFluff
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
Literally kids probably won't know all of this art theft stuff anyways, that's the parent's job. And it's more teaching kids to be little coders, not masterful artists.Well on Scratch, it's a valid one, and you can't do anything about it. This is why there's a thing called credit. Really, for art, you should go to another website based on art instead of trying to bend the rules on a kids coding site.But there is a change. So it's modifying the work, not stealing it.Please see my edit. To the commentIt's still considered a valid change. If they don't give credit (can't be a remix) and recolor, then you can report.i apologize if i'm bringing anything up that's already been addressed, i didn't read through the 8 pages very closely. however, an artist should be able to request remixes not be made. it's their art and their project so..?? just because you can't get into legal trouble for changing a minor detail or recoloring someone's art doesn't mean it should be fine- whether it's on da or scratch or wherever, an artist should have the right to request it's not edited in any way. denying someone the ability to request their art isn't edited isn't okay in my opinion at least. please don't interpret this as me discouraging remixing, i think remixing can be great sometimes, but there's just no point in remixing only to change something minor. that's not even close to putting your own spin on it.But you technically are disencouraging it..
i'm discouraging certain remixes- others where something is actually changed and effort was put into it are great. i just don't think recoloring or anything should be allowed. that's awfully close to stealing art.
but the exact problem is that it is considered a valid change when it shouldn't be- that is the point of people bringing this up, so that hopefully st sees the issue and something is done about this
recoloring is close to stealing art because hardly any change has been done to it… a different artist still did the lineart, shading, etc. all the remixer is doing is changing a color or two with a click. there's no effort in that.
yeah, it's a change, but it's hardly a valid one. switching a few colors doesn't make it yours.
if it's a kids website it shouldn't be teaching kids that it's okay to use someone else's work as long as you change something minor.
i didn't say anything about teaching kids to be artists. this applies to work in general, whether it be a story or a song or anything. sure, you can say it's the parents' job to teach this, but it's counterproductive to encourage the opposite of what you want the parent to teach.
- MiintyFluff
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Scratcher
24 posts
Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
Snap!They should've gone to a different website with a different target audience.Yeah, that's why credit exists as a requirement.-snip-
But there is a change. So it's modifying the work, not stealing it.
yeah, it's a change, but it's hardly a valid one. switching a few colors doesn't make it yours.
credit is nice and all, but what if the artist didn't want it to be recolored or remixed in the first place-? they should give permission to first
what if they don't have access to a different website/are too young? what if they're making an animation and want to use coding to do that?
snap is literally the same as scratch but lower quality
- WindOctahedron
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
If an artist is already that worried about the copyright on their works, they probably are old enough. Also, it's easier to wait for a few years than ask over fifty or so million people to put up with a major change to a key principle.They should've gone to a different website with a different target audience.Yeah, that's why credit exists as a requirement.-snip-
But there is a change. So it's modifying the work, not stealing it.
yeah, it's a change, but it's hardly a valid one. switching a few colors doesn't make it yours.
credit is nice and all, but what if the artist didn't want it to be recolored or remixed in the first place-? they should give permission to first
what if they don't have access to a different website/are too young?
- Yeetoburro1
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
i didn't say anything about teaching kids to be artists. this applies to work in general, whether it be a story or a song or anything. sure, you can say it's the parents' job to teach this, but it's counterproductive to encourage the opposite of what you want the parent to teach.The thing is, Scratch happens to be.. shocker… a coding website! So all of the rules are meant for coding, because in the coding world, people use other peoples code and change it around a lot, and everybody is absolutely fine with it!
- puppycutest
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
*snip everything*
i didn't say anything about teaching kids to be artists. this applies to work in general, whether it be a story or a song or anything. sure, you can say it's the parents' job to teach this, but it's counterproductive to encourage the opposite of what you want the parent to teach.
If the parent finds something wrong with Scratch, they can restrict the child's access.
Last edited by puppycutest (June 2, 2021 21:09:38)
- Yeetoburro1
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
snap is literally the same as scratch but lower qualityAnd has more powerful coding, and best of all for artists…. a smaller community, which means less “art stealing”!
- puppycutest
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
Snap!They should've gone to a different website with a different target audience.Yeah, that's why credit exists as a requirement.-snip-
But there is a change. So it's modifying the work, not stealing it.
yeah, it's a change, but it's hardly a valid one. switching a few colors doesn't make it yours.
credit is nice and all, but what if the artist didn't want it to be recolored or remixed in the first place-? they should give permission to first
what if they don't have access to a different website/are too young? what if they're making an animation and want to use coding to do that?
snap is literally the same as scratch but lower quality
literally no one asked
- MiintyFluff
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
If an artist is already that worried about the copyright on their works, they probably are old enough. Also, it's easier to wait for a few years than ask over fifty or so million people to put up with a major change to a key principle.
for me at least it's not even about copyright- it's just the feeling that someone is using your work and claiming it as their own. no one likes feeling like that.
- WindOctahedron
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
That is plagiarism, which is independent of non-consent and is already banned on Scratch. In other words: you have to give credit, but you don't have to directly ask the author.If an artist is already that worried about the copyright on their works, they probably are old enough. Also, it's easier to wait for a few years than ask over fifty or so million people to put up with a major change to a key principle.
for me at least it's not even about copyright- it's just the feeling that someone is using your work and claiming it as their own. no one likes feeling like that.
Last edited by WindOctahedron (June 2, 2021 21:12:20)
- MiintyFluff
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
Snap!They should've gone to a different website with a different target audience.Yeah, that's why credit exists as a requirement.-snip-
But there is a change. So it's modifying the work, not stealing it.
yeah, it's a change, but it's hardly a valid one. switching a few colors doesn't make it yours.
credit is nice and all, but what if the artist didn't want it to be recolored or remixed in the first place-? they should give permission to first
what if they don't have access to a different website/are too young? what if they're making an animation and want to use coding to do that?
snap is literally the same as scratch but lower quality
literally no one asked
i mean you recommended it, what did you expect me to say
- puppycutest
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
what if they don't have access to a different website/are too young? what if they're making an animation and want to use coding to do that?Snap!
snap is literally the same as scratch but lower quality
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literally no one asked
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i mean you recommended it, what did you expect me to say
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anything except complaining about its quality
Last edited by puppycutest (June 2, 2021 21:13:07)
- DarthVader4Life
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
That's why credit is supposed to be given! And if it's not, the report button is supposed to be used. Not only that, there's contact us!If an artist is already that worried about the copyright on their works, they probably are old enough. Also, it's easier to wait for a few years than ask over fifty or so million people to put up with a major change to a key principle.
for me at least it's not even about copyright- it's just the feeling that someone is using your work and claiming it as their own. no one likes feeling like that.
- MiintyFluff
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
That is plagiarism, which is independent of non-consent and is already banned on Scratch.If an artist is already that worried about the copyright on their works, they probably are old enough. Also, it's easier to wait for a few years than ask over fifty or so million people to put up with a major change to a key principle.
for me at least it's not even about copyright- it's just the feeling that someone is using your work and claiming it as their own. no one likes feeling like that.
so then why exactly are minor changes allowed now if it's basically plagiarism
- DarthVader4Life
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
Because there is credit! Automatic credit in remixes!That is plagiarism, which is independent of non-consent and is already banned on Scratch.If an artist is already that worried about the copyright on their works, they probably are old enough. Also, it's easier to wait for a few years than ask over fifty or so million people to put up with a major change to a key principle.
for me at least it's not even about copyright- it's just the feeling that someone is using your work and claiming it as their own. no one likes feeling like that.
so then why exactly are minor changes allowed now if it's basically plagiarism
Last edited by DarthVader4Life (June 2, 2021 21:14:11)
- MiintyFluff
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Scratcher
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
alrighty, this is going nowhere and i can see no one is going to do anything about this. just because authorities say something is so does not make it okay without question. i sincerely hope at least one of you can use common sense and realize the issue with this. have a nice day!
- Za-Chary
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Change the Guidelines to be More Respectful to Artists and Their Works
Hey folks, thanks for all the discussion here. Based on our remixing policy and the Terms of Use (specifically the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 License), anyone is free to use your creations that you share on Scratch as long as they give credit and make a meaningful change.
By sharing your creations on Scratch, under this license, you are automatically giving permission to everyone to use your creations. Since remixing is such an important part of Scratch, we will not be changing this policy. If you don't want to give others the ability to freely use your art without permission, please do not share your art on Scratch. Other websites may have the copyright laws preventing others from using your art without permission, but Scratch does not work like this. Copyright on Scratch works differently from other websites you may have seen precisely due to the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 License.
I want to mention something else, though. We absolutely cannot deny that there is a large art community on Scratch. It is a community we wholeheartedly accept, and if someone wants to share their art projects on Scratch, then we encourage them to do so. Saying that “Scratch is a coding website” is not the best reason to invalidate this suggestion. Indeed, Scratch is not strictly a “coding website” — I'd argue that it's a creative sharing website. Art projects are some of the many ways to show creativity, and so is remixing. We're not going to reject a suggestion just because it appeals only to the art community.
Please use the Report button on any project that is an exact copy of another project or does not give sufficient credit to the original creator.
By sharing your creations on Scratch, under this license, you are automatically giving permission to everyone to use your creations. Since remixing is such an important part of Scratch, we will not be changing this policy. If you don't want to give others the ability to freely use your art without permission, please do not share your art on Scratch. Other websites may have the copyright laws preventing others from using your art without permission, but Scratch does not work like this. Copyright on Scratch works differently from other websites you may have seen precisely due to the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 License.
I want to mention something else, though. We absolutely cannot deny that there is a large art community on Scratch. It is a community we wholeheartedly accept, and if someone wants to share their art projects on Scratch, then we encourage them to do so. Saying that “Scratch is a coding website” is not the best reason to invalidate this suggestion. Indeed, Scratch is not strictly a “coding website” — I'd argue that it's a creative sharing website. Art projects are some of the many ways to show creativity, and so is remixing. We're not going to reject a suggestion just because it appeals only to the art community.
Please use the Report button on any project that is an exact copy of another project or does not give sufficient credit to the original creator.
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