MiintyFluff wrote:

puppycutest wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

i apologize if i'm bringing anything up that's already been addressed, i didn't read through the 8 pages very closely. however, an artist should be able to request remixes not be made. it's their art and their project so..?? just because you can't get into legal trouble for changing a minor detail or recoloring someone's art doesn't mean it should be fine- whether it's on da or scratch or wherever, an artist should have the right to request it's not edited in any way. denying someone the ability to request their art isn't edited isn't okay in my opinion at least. please don't interpret this as me discouraging remixing, i think remixing can be great sometimes, but there's just no point in remixing only to change something minor. that's not even close to putting your own spin on it.

But you technically are disencouraging it..

i'm discouraging certain remixes- others where something is actually changed and effort was put into it are great. i just don't think recoloring or anything should be allowed. that's awfully close to stealing art.

DarthVader4Life wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

i apologize if i'm bringing anything up that's already been addressed, i didn't read through the 8 pages very closely. however, an artist should be able to request remixes not be made. it's their art and their project so..?? just because you can't get into legal trouble for changing a minor detail or recoloring someone's art doesn't mean it should be fine- whether it's on da or scratch or wherever, an artist should have the right to request it's not edited in any way. denying someone the ability to request their art isn't edited isn't okay in my opinion at least. please don't interpret this as me discouraging remixing, i think remixing can be great sometimes, but there's just no point in remixing only to change something minor. that's not even close to putting your own spin on it.

Well, that's not what the legal thing is about.
And please read TOLORS. Specifically, 3.2.
Also, that would technically be discouraging remixing.
And that last sentence was ninja'd.

IStealBones wrote:

-snip- This can be done in various ways from links to polls that appear in everyone’s inbox to forums where Scratchers can debate and discuss the change.

TOLORS wrote:

9.7 Polls in the forums
Some Scratchers have suggested optional polls that could be implemented into forum threads so users can vote on a particular suggestion, state that they experience the same glitch as someone else, or for other reasons. However, the Scratch Team is less interested in polling results and more interested in constructive posts on the forums. Although polls could theoretically reduce the number of unconstructive posts, they likely would not help Scratchers think constructively and write constructive posts. This suggestion includes polls that Scratchers can create themselves, as well as pre-made polls.

IStealBones wrote:

Friendly reminder that this is exactly what we are trying to change

puppycutest wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

puppycutest wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

i apologize if i'm bringing anything up that's already been addressed, i didn't read through the 8 pages very closely. however, an artist should be able to request remixes not be made. it's their art and their project so..?? just because you can't get into legal trouble for changing a minor detail or recoloring someone's art doesn't mean it should be fine- whether it's on da or scratch or wherever, an artist should have the right to request it's not edited in any way. denying someone the ability to request their art isn't edited isn't okay in my opinion at least. please don't interpret this as me discouraging remixing, i think remixing can be great sometimes, but there's just no point in remixing only to change something minor. that's not even close to putting your own spin on it.

But you technically are disencouraging it..

i'm discouraging certain remixes- others where something is actually changed and effort was put into it are great. i just don't think recoloring or anything should be allowed. that's awfully close to stealing art.

It's still considered a valid change. If they don't give credit (can't be a remix) and recolor, then you can report.

kccuber wrote:

IStealBones wrote:

Friendly reminder that this is exactly what we are trying to change

Friendly reminder that what you are trying to do is rejected

MiintyFluff wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

i apologize if i'm bringing anything up that's already been addressed, i didn't read through the 8 pages very closely. however, an artist should be able to request remixes not be made. it's their art and their project so..?? just because you can't get into legal trouble for changing a minor detail or recoloring someone's art doesn't mean it should be fine- whether it's on da or scratch or wherever, an artist should have the right to request it's not edited in any way. denying someone the ability to request their art isn't edited isn't okay in my opinion at least. please don't interpret this as me discouraging remixing, i think remixing can be great sometimes, but there's just no point in remixing only to change something minor. that's not even close to putting your own spin on it.

Well, that's not what the legal thing is about.
And please read TOLORS. Specifically, 3.2.
Also, that would technically be discouraging remixing.
And that last sentence was ninja'd.

i apologize, i don't know what ninja'd means- also the 3.2 thing is pretty much what we're complaining about and would like changed,, i'm fully aware that st is allowing minor changes. this “This suggestion extends to “extremely minor remixes,” such as a remix of a game that gives you 2 points per second instead of 1. As long as the user explains what they changed about the project and gives proper credit, this is okay.” is also in there, and a lot of the time the changes aren't stated and credit isn't really given aside from the remix message above the instructions.

MiintyFluff wrote:

but the exact problem is that it is considered a valid change when it shouldn't be- that is the point of people bringing this up, so that hopefully st sees the issue and something is done about this

kccuber wrote:

IStealBones wrote:

Friendly reminder that this is exactly what we are trying to change

Friendly reminder that what you are trying to do is rejected

MiintyFluff wrote:

puppycutest wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

puppycutest wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

i apologize if i'm bringing anything up that's already been addressed, i didn't read through the 8 pages very closely. however, an artist should be able to request remixes not be made. it's their art and their project so..?? just because you can't get into legal trouble for changing a minor detail or recoloring someone's art doesn't mean it should be fine- whether it's on da or scratch or wherever, an artist should have the right to request it's not edited in any way. denying someone the ability to request their art isn't edited isn't okay in my opinion at least. please don't interpret this as me discouraging remixing, i think remixing can be great sometimes, but there's just no point in remixing only to change something minor. that's not even close to putting your own spin on it.

But you technically are disencouraging it..

i'm discouraging certain remixes- others where something is actually changed and effort was put into it are great. i just don't think recoloring or anything should be allowed. that's awfully close to stealing art.

It's still considered a valid change. If they don't give credit (can't be a remix) and recolor, then you can report.

but the exact problem is that it is considered a valid change when it shouldn't be- that is the point of people bringing this up, so that hopefully st sees the issue and something is done about this

IStealBones wrote:

Friendly reminder that this is exactly what we are trying to change

DarthVader4Life wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

i apologize if i'm bringing anything up that's already been addressed, i didn't read through the 8 pages very closely. however, an artist should be able to request remixes not be made. it's their art and their project so..?? just because you can't get into legal trouble for changing a minor detail or recoloring someone's art doesn't mean it should be fine- whether it's on da or scratch or wherever, an artist should have the right to request it's not edited in any way. denying someone the ability to request their art isn't edited isn't okay in my opinion at least. please don't interpret this as me discouraging remixing, i think remixing can be great sometimes, but there's just no point in remixing only to change something minor. that's not even close to putting your own spin on it.

Well, that's not what the legal thing is about.
And please read TOLORS. Specifically, 3.2.
Also, that would technically be discouraging remixing.
And that last sentence was ninja'd.

i apologize, i don't know what ninja'd means- also the 3.2 thing is pretty much what we're complaining about and would like changed,, i'm fully aware that st is allowing minor changes. this “This suggestion extends to “extremely minor remixes,” such as a remix of a game that gives you 2 points per second instead of 1. As long as the user explains what they changed about the project and gives proper credit, this is okay.” is also in there, and a lot of the time the changes aren't stated and credit isn't really given aside from the remix message above the instructions.

Did you know that the report button exists?

WindOctahedron wrote:

IStealBones wrote:

Friendly reminder that this is exactly what we are trying to change

I don't think it will be.
Scratch is a site primarily for programmers, who use each others' code all the time because it's convenient. If you want to share art, maybe it's better to wait a few years (if you're not old enough) and join a website specifically for showing art, rather than suggesting to change one of the site you are currently on's fundamental components.

IStealBones wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

-snip-

Friendly reminder that this is exactly what we are trying to change

MiintyFluff wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

i apologize if i'm bringing anything up that's already been addressed, i didn't read through the 8 pages very closely. however, an artist should be able to request remixes not be made. it's their art and their project so..?? just because you can't get into legal trouble for changing a minor detail or recoloring someone's art doesn't mean it should be fine- whether it's on da or scratch or wherever, an artist should have the right to request it's not edited in any way. denying someone the ability to request their art isn't edited isn't okay in my opinion at least. please don't interpret this as me discouraging remixing, i think remixing can be great sometimes, but there's just no point in remixing only to change something minor. that's not even close to putting your own spin on it.

Well, that's not what the legal thing is about.
And please read TOLORS. Specifically, 3.2.
Also, that would technically be discouraging remixing.
And that last sentence was ninja'd.

i apologize, i don't know what ninja'd means- also the 3.2 thing is pretty much what we're complaining about and would like changed,, i'm fully aware that st is allowing minor changes. this “This suggestion extends to “extremely minor remixes,” such as a remix of a game that gives you 2 points per second instead of 1. As long as the user explains what they changed about the project and gives proper credit, this is okay.” is also in there, and a lot of the time the changes aren't stated and credit isn't really given aside from the remix message above the instructions.

Did you know that the report button exists?

yes, but i doubt st even looks at half the reports. for example, there's an account that people noticed a few hours ago who's trying to make scratch crash with spam, and it hasn't been taken down yet despite quite a few people (i believe) reporting it. this happens with remixes that go against the guidelines too.

DarthVader4Life wrote:

IStealBones wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

-snip-

Friendly reminder that this is exactly what we are trying to change

So you are trying to get a rejected suggestion unrejected? If so, then please provide a viable solution to why it was rejected.

puppycutest wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

puppycutest wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

puppycutest wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

i apologize if i'm bringing anything up that's already been addressed, i didn't read through the 8 pages very closely. however, an artist should be able to request remixes not be made. it's their art and their project so..?? just because you can't get into legal trouble for changing a minor detail or recoloring someone's art doesn't mean it should be fine- whether it's on da or scratch or wherever, an artist should have the right to request it's not edited in any way. denying someone the ability to request their art isn't edited isn't okay in my opinion at least. please don't interpret this as me discouraging remixing, i think remixing can be great sometimes, but there's just no point in remixing only to change something minor. that's not even close to putting your own spin on it.

But you technically are disencouraging it..

i'm discouraging certain remixes- others where something is actually changed and effort was put into it are great. i just don't think recoloring or anything should be allowed. that's awfully close to stealing art.

It's still considered a valid change. If they don't give credit (can't be a remix) and recolor, then you can report.

but the exact problem is that it is considered a valid change when it shouldn't be- that is the point of people bringing this up, so that hopefully st sees the issue and something is done about this

Please see my edit. To the comment

MiintyFluff wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

i apologize if i'm bringing anything up that's already been addressed, i didn't read through the 8 pages very closely. however, an artist should be able to request remixes not be made. it's their art and their project so..?? just because you can't get into legal trouble for changing a minor detail or recoloring someone's art doesn't mean it should be fine- whether it's on da or scratch or wherever, an artist should have the right to request it's not edited in any way. denying someone the ability to request their art isn't edited isn't okay in my opinion at least. please don't interpret this as me discouraging remixing, i think remixing can be great sometimes, but there's just no point in remixing only to change something minor. that's not even close to putting your own spin on it.

Well, that's not what the legal thing is about.
And please read TOLORS. Specifically, 3.2.
Also, that would technically be discouraging remixing.
And that last sentence was ninja'd.

i apologize, i don't know what ninja'd means- also the 3.2 thing is pretty much what we're complaining about and would like changed,, i'm fully aware that st is allowing minor changes. this “This suggestion extends to “extremely minor remixes,” such as a remix of a game that gives you 2 points per second instead of 1. As long as the user explains what they changed about the project and gives proper credit, this is okay.” is also in there, and a lot of the time the changes aren't stated and credit isn't really given aside from the remix message above the instructions.

Did you know that the report button exists?

yes, but i doubt st even looks at half the reports. for example, there's an account that people noticed a few hours ago who's trying to make scratch crash with spam, and it hasn't been taken down yet despite quite a few people (i believe) reporting it. this happens with remixes that go against the guidelines too.

puppycutest wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

i apologize if i'm bringing anything up that's already been addressed, i didn't read through the 8 pages very closely. however, an artist should be able to request remixes not be made. it's their art and their project so..?? just because you can't get into legal trouble for changing a minor detail or recoloring someone's art doesn't mean it should be fine- whether it's on da or scratch or wherever, an artist should have the right to request it's not edited in any way. denying someone the ability to request their art isn't edited isn't okay in my opinion at least. please don't interpret this as me discouraging remixing, i think remixing can be great sometimes, but there's just no point in remixing only to change something minor. that's not even close to putting your own spin on it.

Well, that's not what the legal thing is about.
And please read TOLORS. Specifically, 3.2.
Also, that would technically be discouraging remixing.
And that last sentence was ninja'd.

i apologize, i don't know what ninja'd means- also the 3.2 thing is pretty much what we're complaining about and would like changed,, i'm fully aware that st is allowing minor changes. this “This suggestion extends to “extremely minor remixes,” such as a remix of a game that gives you 2 points per second instead of 1. As long as the user explains what they changed about the project and gives proper credit, this is okay.” is also in there, and a lot of the time the changes aren't stated and credit isn't really given aside from the remix message above the instructions.

Did you know that the report button exists?

yes, but i doubt st even looks at half the reports. for example, there's an account that people noticed a few hours ago who's trying to make scratch crash with spam, and it hasn't been taken down yet despite quite a few people (i believe) reporting it. this happens with remixes that go against the guidelines too.

The ST is more busy because of Covid-19 and traffic of the site, be patient.

MiintyFluff wrote:

puppycutest wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

puppycutest wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

puppycutest wrote:

MiintyFluff wrote:

i apologize if i'm bringing anything up that's already been addressed, i didn't read through the 8 pages very closely. however, an artist should be able to request remixes not be made. it's their art and their project so..?? just because you can't get into legal trouble for changing a minor detail or recoloring someone's art doesn't mean it should be fine- whether it's on da or scratch or wherever, an artist should have the right to request it's not edited in any way. denying someone the ability to request their art isn't edited isn't okay in my opinion at least. please don't interpret this as me discouraging remixing, i think remixing can be great sometimes, but there's just no point in remixing only to change something minor. that's not even close to putting your own spin on it.

But you technically are disencouraging it..

i'm discouraging certain remixes- others where something is actually changed and effort was put into it are great. i just don't think recoloring or anything should be allowed. that's awfully close to stealing art.

It's still considered a valid change. If they don't give credit (can't be a remix) and recolor, then you can report.

but the exact problem is that it is considered a valid change when it shouldn't be- that is the point of people bringing this up, so that hopefully st sees the issue and something is done about this

Please see my edit. To the comment

recoloring is close to stealing art because hardly any change has been done to it… a different artist still did the lineart, shading, etc. all the remixer is doing is changing a color or two with a click. there's no effort in that.