Proposed "subscription" implementation

StevenTheSquare

big support for this. I miss projects out out by my friends all the time.

Last edited by StevenTheSquare (Feb. 10, 2021 22:14:50)

the2000

Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
Please provide more content.
We're asking for different things, and therefore it's not a duplicate. I don't see how that's hard to understand. Just because they're supposed to solve the same issue doesn't mean they're the same suggestion. By that logic, the turn-based collaboration suggestion would be the same thing as live collaboration.
Please tell me the direct answer.
C0nyc0n wrote:
This would be a button next to the follow button, and would notify you (in messages) when they upload a project
It seems it has some similar content to yours.
By what logic?
By what means?
For what reason?

What do you mean “direct answer”? Mine is suggesting a new “subscriptions” section. They're suggesting to receive a message when someone they “subscribed to” releases a project. There's a difference, and if you bothered to read my OP you would've known that.

Basic88

Basic88 wrote:
Here is a modern mockup:

pangoliin-

Support!

I usually only follow Scratch friends, so it would be nice to be notified when a new project comes out from Scratchers whose content I like, without it being public that I'm receiving their project notifications.

Honestly, I feel like a lot of people follow users but don't really care when they release a new project (my account has over 180 followers, but my most-viewed project only has about 60 views). This would fix that problem, because if you really wanted to see what projects a user is releasing, you would subscribe to them. I'm guessing a lot of activity gets lost in the “What's Happening?” tab when people follow over 10 active users (especially with people who used to actively participate in F4F, which may have led to them having followed hundreds of people), so this would be much easier to manage.

However, you might have to open new tabs to view all the projects if the Project Notifcation window in your inbox has multiple projects in it, then closes once you've read it. Perhaps it could behave similar to the “Messages from the ST” window, so you would click a little X to close it?

the2000

pangoliin- wrote:
However, you might have to open new tabs to view all the projects if the Project Notifcation window in your inbox has multiple projects in it, then closes once you've read it. Perhaps it could behave similar to the “Messages from the ST” window, so you would click a little X to close it?

I like that idea. Consider it accepted, but I'm too lazy to work on the mock-up right now

fdreerf

the2000 wrote:
-snip-

I suppose so. It does seem different enough and it ultimately the ST's choice to decide.

Prime689

the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
Please provide more content.
We're asking for different things, and therefore it's not a duplicate. I don't see how that's hard to understand. Just because they're supposed to solve the same issue doesn't mean they're the same suggestion. By that logic, the turn-based collaboration suggestion would be the same thing as live collaboration.
Please tell me the direct answer.
C0nyc0n wrote:
This would be a button next to the follow button, and would notify you (in messages) when they upload a project
It seems it has some similar content to yours.
By what logic?
By what means?
For what reason?
What do you mean “direct answer”? Mine is suggesting a new “subscriptions” section. They're suggesting to receive a message when someone they “subscribed to” releases a project. There's a difference, and if you bothered to read my OP you would've known that.

We're going to compare them.
The topic that I just mentioned does the following:

Notify a chosen Scratcher when the subscribed Scratcher uploads a project via mail

What your topic suggests other than this?

Last edited by Prime689 (Feb. 11, 2021 01:40:23)

the2000

Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
What do you mean “direct answer”? Mine is suggesting a new “subscriptions” section. They're suggesting to receive a message when someone they “subscribed to” releases a project. There's a difference, and if you bothered to read my OP you would've known that.
We're going to compare them.
The topic that I just mentioned does the following:
Notify a chosen Scratcher when the subscribed Scratcher uploads a project via mail
What your topic suggests other than this?

I'm going to give up on arguing with you because you're clearly not even reading my posts. I answered that question in the last one!

Prime689

the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
What do you mean “direct answer”? Mine is suggesting a new “subscriptions” section. They're suggesting to receive a message when someone they “subscribed to” releases a project. There's a difference, and if you bothered to read my OP you would've known that.
We're going to compare them.
The topic that I just mentioned does the following:
Notify a chosen Scratcher when the subscribed Scratcher uploads a project via mail
What your topic suggests other than this?
I'm going to give up on arguing with you because you're clearly not even reading my posts. I answered that question in the last one!

If I'm not reading your posts, I would not have answered them. What I mean is, that may you use simple terms per the reasons of misunderstanding?
“clearly not”

Last edited by Prime689 (Feb. 11, 2021 02:05:30)

the2000

Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
What do you mean “direct answer”? Mine is suggesting a new “subscriptions” section. They're suggesting to receive a message when someone they “subscribed to” releases a project. There's a difference, and if you bothered to read my OP you would've known that.
We're going to compare them.
The topic that I just mentioned does the following:
Notify a chosen Scratcher when the subscribed Scratcher uploads a project via mail
What your topic suggests other than this?
I'm going to give up on arguing with you because you're clearly not even reading my posts. I answered that question in the last one!
If I'm not reading your posts, I would not have answered them. What I mean is, that may you use simple terms per the reasons of misunderstanding?
“clearly not”

the2000 wrote:
Mine is suggesting a new “subscriptions” section. They're suggesting to receive a message when someone they “subscribed to” releases a project.

And by “receive a message” I mean through the current message system.

Prime689

the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
What do you mean “direct answer”? Mine is suggesting a new “subscriptions” section. They're suggesting to receive a message when someone they “subscribed to” releases a project. There's a difference, and if you bothered to read my OP you would've known that.
We're going to compare them.
The topic that I just mentioned does the following:
Notify a chosen Scratcher when the subscribed Scratcher uploads a project via mail
What your topic suggests other than this?
I'm going to give up on arguing with you because you're clearly not even reading my posts. I answered that question in the last one!
If I'm not reading your posts, I would not have answered them. What I mean is, that may you use simple terms per the reasons of misunderstanding?
“clearly not”
the2000 wrote:
Mine is suggesting a new “subscriptions” section. They're suggesting to receive a message when someone they “subscribed to” releases a project.
And by “receive a message” I mean through the current message system.

So by activity message?

the2000

Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
I'm going to give up on arguing with you because you're clearly not even reading my posts. I answered that question in the last one!
If I'm not reading your posts, I would not have answered them. What I mean is, that may you use simple terms per the reasons of misunderstanding?
“clearly not”
the2000 wrote:
Mine is suggesting a new “subscriptions” section. They're suggesting to receive a message when someone they “subscribed to” releases a project.
And by “receive a message” I mean through the current message system.
So by activity message?

In the simplest terms I can think of, I mean this: They're only asking for the subscriptions to be sent through the standard mail system. I'm suggesting to give them a different icon in the top right and put them in a completely different section so they'll be easier to find even if you get a lot of messages.

Prime689

the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
I'm going to give up on arguing with you because you're clearly not even reading my posts. I answered that question in the last one!
If I'm not reading your posts, I would not have answered them. What I mean is, that may you use simple terms per the reasons of misunderstanding?
“clearly not”
the2000 wrote:
Mine is suggesting a new “subscriptions” section. They're suggesting receiving a message when someone they “subscribed to” releases a project.
And by “receive a message” I mean through the current message system.
So by activity message?
In the simplest terms I can think of, I mean this: they're only asking for the subscriptions to be sent through the standard mail system. I'm suggesting giving them a different icon in the top right and put them in a completely different section so they'll be easier to find even if you get a lot of messages.

That's what I stated.

So, I think this might be a good reason but isn't the following status sufficient to fill the uploading project enough? And also that why we can access a direct link to the project via our existing section? Ego dissentio cum hoc.
*edited flaws

Last edited by Prime689 (Feb. 11, 2021 02:26:47)

the2000

Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
And by “receive a message” I mean through the current message system.
So by activity message?
In the simplest terms I can think of, I mean this: they're only asking for the subscriptions to be sent through the standard mail system. I'm suggesting giving them a different icon in the top right and put them in a completely different section so they'll be easier to find even if you get a lot of messages.
That's what I stated.

So, I think this might be a good reason but isn't the following status sufficient to fill the uploading project enough? And also that why we can access a direct link to the project via our existing section? Ego dissentio cum hoc.

I have no idea what you're saying. Can you dumb that down a little?

Prime689

the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
That's what I stated.

So, I think this might be a good reason but isn't the following status sufficient to fill the uploading project enough? And also that why we can access a direct link to the project via our existing section? Ego dissentio cum hoc.
I have no idea what you're saying. Can you dumb that down a little?

I mean that the following section is enough. It has the given properties of this suggestion.

the2000

Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
That's what I stated.

So, I think this might be a good reason but isn't the following status sufficient to fill the uploading project enough? And also that why we can access a direct link to the project via our existing section? Ego dissentio cum hoc.
I have no idea what you're saying. Can you dumb that down a little?
I mean that the following section is enough. It has the given properties of this suggestion.

I disagree. As I think I may have stated in the past, I often miss new project releases because they get clouded with loves, favorites, and other similar activity. I've had to unfollow people in the past just because they were so active that I couldn't see anything else in my What's Happening section.

Austinato

This is a nice suggestion, and I can see it possibly being added to the website. Nice job on the mockups, too! I just have some quick feedback:

Firstly, I agree with gosoccerboy5 saying that the coloring of the subscription button doesn't quite feel right. I feel like red would be better fit for “negative” actions on an account, such as deleting it altogether or removing stuff. Perhaps some shade of orange █ would be better?

While I'm on the same subject, I feel like shortening down the text within the button to “Subscribe” would be a bit better, even if it makes the purpose of the button a bit less obvious.

For me, something seems off about the way that you presented the placement of the subscription notification icon in your mockup. Here's a brief list of alternatives that I thought of (with some commentary):
1) Just include subscription notifications into the overall notification count, without adding any special indicators. I don't really like this one as much as #2.
2) Have any subscription notifications “override” the regular orange number icon and be the only icon next to the message icon. This might sound confusing; I might make a mockup sometime soon.
3) Just make a separate subscription notification icon. I don't really like this one as much, either.

Prime689

the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
the2000 wrote:
Prime689 wrote:
That's what I stated.

So, I think this might be a good reason but isn't the following status sufficient to fill the uploading project enough? And also that why we can access a direct link to the project via our existing section? Ego dissentio cum hoc.
I have no idea what you're saying. Can you dumb that down a little?
I mean that the following section is enough. It has the given properties of this suggestion.
I disagree. As I think I may have stated in the past, I often miss new project releases because they get clouded with loves, favorites, and other similar activity. I've had to unfollow people in the past just because they were so active that I couldn't see anything else in my What's Happening section.

Ok, I support it now. I'm also wondering if we could “sticky” a notif for a project, so we can access the project directly.

the2000

Austinato wrote:
This is a nice suggestion, and I can see it possibly being added to the website. Nice job on the mockups, too!

Thanks!

Austinato wrote:
While I'm on the same subject, I feel like shortening down the text within the button to “Subscribe” would be a bit better, even if it makes the purpose of the button a bit less obvious.

I agree with that too. I will get around to updating that eventually.

Austinato wrote:
For me, something seems off about the way that you presented the placement of the subscription notification icon in your mockup. Here's a brief list of alternatives that I thought of (with some commentary):
-snip-

Maximouse and I came up with a solution I quite like: Put a bell icon at the end of the notification bubble and make it slightly more red. If you have a subscription notification and 0 regular messages then it would only show the bell.

Prime689 wrote:
Ok, I support it now.

Wow, thanks! I don't think I'm the best at convincing people of things so it means a lot.

Prime689 wrote:
I'm also wondering if we could “sticky” a notif for a project, so we can access the project directly.

I think that this would factor into pangoliin-'s suggestion to make the notification be closed manually, which I will get around to making a mock-up for eventually as well.

Last edited by the2000 (Feb. 11, 2021 03:58:14)

fdreerf

I don't follow anyone because I don't want to but it is nice to know when a user makes a project after they made it, got front-paged, went on trending in every language, and only discover it through a mention of it on the forums (looking at you, Taco Burp).

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