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theonlygusti
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Scratchifier wrote:

theonlygusti is right.

If the Scratch Team was trying to improve the aesthetics of the site, or even keep them at the same level, they utterly failed.

You can't have inconsistency in graphic design. It just doesn't work, and it confuses the user. It ultimately gives a sense of displeasure when you expect something that should be there but it isn't.

Putting this into an example: Imagine the sky when it is night. There are millions of beautiful stars, but in one section, it's just plain… a black splotch where nothing is.

That doesn't look very good.
Well said!

NoxSpooth
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I'll have to admit, I don't really agree with the removal of the Comments number on profiles. Not only because you can't see it anywhere else, but also due to the fact I could use it to see if there are new comments/replies on my alternate accounts.
Paddle2See
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NoxSpooth wrote:

I'll have to admit, I don't really agree with the removal of the Comments number on profiles. Not only because you can't see it anywhere else, but also due to the fact I could use it to see if there are new comments/replies on my alternate accounts.
That's a good point!

But it would only tell you if there was activity on the profile, right? Not on any projects, studios, forum topics, etc. And you would have to remember what the comment count was from the last time you checked, in order to notice anything new. So I'm afraid I don't find this a compelling case for restoring the comment count.
Shiverberry
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Paddle2See wrote:

NoxSpooth wrote:

I'll have to admit, I don't really agree with the removal of the Comments number on profiles. Not only because you can't see it anywhere else, but also due to the fact I could use it to see if there are new comments/replies on my alternate accounts.
That's a good point!

But it would only tell you if there was activity on the profile, right? Not on any projects, studios, forum topics, etc. And you would have to remember what the comment count was from the last time you checked, in order to notice anything new. So I'm afraid I don't find this a compelling case for restoring the comment count.
Paddle2See is right.
But I agree with tons of Scratchers when I say there was absolutely no good reason to remove the comment count.
Even though I do not like it, I see why you took out the follower count.
But why the comment count?
Some people (COUGHCOUGHMECOUGHHACK) like to keep track of their milestones. And it doesn't quite help to have to count EVERY. SINGLE. COMMENT.
Unlocked
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Scratchifier wrote:

4. In a matter of minutes, I've several Scratchers have all gotten annoyed at this change. They are also some reputable Scratchers, such as: VoltageGames, WILL_WAM, ELSA_THE_CONQUEROR, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow… need I continue?
Who cares if they are reputable.

Imagine if the US was like that. Only the people who are CEOs of big companies or are own a sports team get to vote. That would not reflect the actual popular vote in any way, shape, or form.

Last edited by Unlocked (Oct. 12, 2014 15:45:04)

Shiverberry
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Unlocked wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

4. In a matter of minutes, I've several Scratchers have all gotten annoyed at this change. They are also some reputable Scratchers, such as: VoltageGames, WILL_WAM, ELSA_THE_CONQUEROR, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow… need I continue?
Who cares if they are reputable.

Imagine if the US was like that. Only the people who are CEOs of big companies or are own a sports team get to vote. That would not reflect the actual popular vote in any way, shape, or form.
I think Scratchifier was trying to convey the message that more popular Scratchers of our community are annoyed, not just *everyone else*…
drabishop
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This makes sense now that you explain it, but I'm still kind of upset.
Unlocked
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Shiverberry wrote:

Unlocked wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

4. In a matter of minutes, I've several Scratchers have all gotten annoyed at this change. They are also some reputable Scratchers, such as: VoltageGames, WILL_WAM, ELSA_THE_CONQUEROR, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow… need I continue?
Who cares if they are reputable.

Imagine if the US was like that. Only the people who are CEOs of big companies or are own a sports team get to vote. That would not reflect the actual popular vote in any way, shape, or form.
I think Scratchifier was trying to convey the message that more popular Scratchers of our community are annoyed, not just *everyone else*…
But it doesn't matter if a scratcher is popular or not. That's what this whole update was about
mcleod241
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Dunno


Shiverberry
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Unlocked wrote:

Shiverberry wrote:

Unlocked wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

4. In a matter of minutes, I've several Scratchers have all gotten annoyed at this change. They are also some reputable Scratchers, such as: VoltageGames, WILL_WAM, ELSA_THE_CONQUEROR, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow… need I continue?
Who cares if they are reputable.

Imagine if the US was like that. Only the people who are CEOs of big companies or are own a sports team get to vote. That would not reflect the actual popular vote in any way, shape, or form.
I think Scratchifier was trying to convey the message that more popular Scratchers of our community are annoyed, not just *everyone else*…
But it doesn't matter if a scratcher is popular or not. That's what this whole update was about
I know…
Firedrake969
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Unlocked wrote:

Shiverberry wrote:

Unlocked wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

4. In a matter of minutes, I've several Scratchers have all gotten annoyed at this change. They are also some reputable Scratchers, such as: VoltageGames, WILL_WAM, ELSA_THE_CONQUEROR, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow… need I continue?
Who cares if they are reputable.

Imagine if the US was like that. Only the people who are CEOs of big companies or are own a sports team get to vote. That would not reflect the actual popular vote in any way, shape, or form.
I think Scratchifier was trying to convey the message that more popular Scratchers of our community are annoyed, not just *everyone else*…
But it doesn't matter if a scratcher is popular or not. That's what this whole update was about
Exactly.

That's what makes the quote so ironic, I guess
Scratchifier
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Unlocked wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

4. In a matter of minutes, I've several Scratchers have all gotten annoyed at this change. They are also some reputable Scratchers, such as: VoltageGames, WILL_WAM, ELSA_THE_CONQUEROR, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow… need I continue?
Who cares if they are reputable.

Imagine if the US was like that. Only the people who are CEOs of big companies or are own a sports team get to vote. That would not reflect the actual popular vote in any way, shape, or form.

Well, who would you trust more with the updates to the site: an older Scratcher or somebody who has been on the site for a long time and has gotten integrated into the community:

OR

Somebody who joined a few months ago who doesn't really understand the full structure of the Scratch website.

Although I should probably edit the wording, because some of the Scratchers I listed might not meet those qualifications, like being on Scratch for a long time.

Personally, I really don't like the direction that U.S.A is headed in. So I think that it would be better if the voting age was 30 years old or higher. How about that?

Last edited by Scratchifier (Oct. 12, 2014 18:32:18)

NoxSpooth
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Scratchifier wrote:

Well, who would you trust more with the updates to the site: an older Scratcher or somebody who has been on the site for a long time and has gotten integrated into the community:

OR

Somebody who joined a few months ago who doesn't really understand the full structure of the Scratch website.

I've been on Scratch for a long time and I still support this change. But that simply doesn't make my opinion superior.
Zro716
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Scratchifier wrote:

Well, who would you trust more with the updates to the site: an older Scratcher or somebody who has been on the site for a long time and has gotten integrated into the community:

OR

Somebody who joined a few months ago who doesn't really understand the full structure of the Scratch website.
*cough* black-or-white *cough*
Scratchifier
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Zro716 wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

Well, who would you trust more with the updates to the site: an older Scratcher or somebody who has been on the site for a long time and has gotten integrated into the community:

OR

Somebody who joined a few months ago who doesn't really understand the full structure of the Scratch website.
*cough* black-or-white *cough*

I don't click on links leading away from scratch, sorry.
Superdoggy
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Zro716 wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

Well, who would you trust more with the updates to the site: an older Scratcher or somebody who has been on the site for a long time and has gotten integrated into the community:

OR

Somebody who joined a few months ago who doesn't really understand the full structure of the Scratch website.
*cough* black-or-white *cough*

As soon as you post that link, you are “appealing to authority”. But that site is nonsense anyway, because sometimes the clouds are gray, and sometimes they're a puffy white. Just because the site exists doesn't mean that it's true. In fact, you can easily destroy any argument by linking to that site (if it were actually accurate).

Side note: the example for Appealing to Authority is gibberish anyway, obviously written by a biased person who can't win any arguments so they just say that other arguments are “not good enough”. The example should be: “Not able to defend his position that evolution ISN'T TRUE, Bob says that he knows a scientist who can obviously prove evolution false, but it doesn't matter anyway because nobody listens to Creationist scientists anyway, even though they're right.”

Hopefully this post doesn't start a religious debate. If it does, bring it to my profile. xD
Shiverberry
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NoxSpooth wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

Well, who would you trust more with the updates to the site: an older Scratcher or somebody who has been on the site for a long time and has gotten integrated into the community:

OR

Somebody who joined a few months ago who doesn't really understand the full structure of the Scratch website.

I've been on Scratch for a long time and I still support this change. But that simply doesn't make my opinion superior.
I think everyone's opinions are equal, although, yes, I find it easier to trust older/experienced Scratchers.
NoxSpooth
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Superdoggy wrote:

Side note: the example for Appealing to Authority is gibberish anyway, obviously written by a biased person who can't win any arguments so they just say that other arguments are “not good enough”. The example should be: "Not able to defend his position that evolution ISN'T TRUE, Bob says that he knows a scientist who can obviously prove evolution false, but it doesn't matter anyway because nobody listens to Creationist scientists anyway, even though they're right."
That's quite a bias you got there too.

Last edited by NoxSpooth (Oct. 12, 2014 19:15:52)

Zro716
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Superdoggy wrote:

Zro716 wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

Well, who would you trust more with the updates to the site: an older Scratcher or somebody who has been on the site for a long time and has gotten integrated into the community:

OR

Somebody who joined a few months ago who doesn't really understand the full structure of the Scratch website.
*cough* black-or-white *cough*

As soon as you post that link, you are “appealing to authority”. But that site is nonsense anyway, because sometimes the clouds are gray, and sometimes they're a puffy white. Just because the site exists doesn't mean that it's true. In fact, you can easily destroy any argument by linking to that site (if it were actually accurate).



Hopefully this post doesn't start a religious debate. If it does, bring it to my profile. xD
gee whiz dude, can you stop pretending and start actually debating for once? no one will take you seriously if you add smilies to your post and call off your opponent's arguments as inferior to yours. for once, just debate from an objective standpoint.
Superdoggy
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NoxSpooth wrote:

Superdoggy wrote:

Side note: the example for Appealing to Authority is gibberish anyway, obviously written by a biased person who can't win any arguments so they just say that other arguments are “not good enough”. The example should be: "Not able to defend his position that evolution ISN'T TRUE, Bob says that he knows a scientist who can obviously prove evolution false, but it doesn't matter anyway because nobody listens to Creationist scientists anyway, even though they're right."
That's quite a bias you got there too.
That's the point. It's sarcasm. xD

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