Ok, hear me out. This is a genuine question. Why doesn't the Scratch Team add certain suggestions that I'd love to have?

Is it that they're coming in 4.0?
Is it that they don't have the resources to implement them?
Is it that they'd confuse New Scratchers if implemented?
Is it that they have certain reasons that we don't know about?
Or is it that they're too lazy to do anything and they just leave us hanging?

Please tell me, as I'd like to know why a lot of suggestions don't get implemented. Maybe I can make more constructive posts.


EDIT: Gonna be closing the topic, if you want this reopened just report this post, and request it to be reopened, thanks

The do add suggestions. It's just that it takes time and effort to do any of them.
1. Maybe. Who knows?
2. I don't think it's possible to add all of them.
3. Some are.
4. Probably not.

I think clones were once a suggestion but a few months ago we (some other people) were just searching for the post in the forum archives and couldn't find it.

Thanks. It'd also be great if a real, live ST member answered, but that's kinda greedy to ask for.
You forgot to answer #5 lol

gosoccerboy5 wrote:

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Is it that they're coming in 4.0?
Is it that they don't have the resources to implement them?
Is it that they'd confuse New Scratchers if implemented?
Is it that they have certain reasons that we don't know about?
Or is it that they're too lazy to do anything and they just leave us hanging? -snip-

1. Probably.
2. Possibly.
3. Yes, assuming it is actually a new scratcher.
4. Probably not.
But like -Zyte- said:

-Zyte- wrote: The do add suggestions. It's just that it takes time and effort to do any of them.

But your first question might be why.

Maybe because there's so much other stuff happening on the website, and the Scratch Team is so small, that we can't possibly implement all these suggestions. Between the Black Lives Matter movement, the increased activity due to the COVID-19 pandemic, our regular moderator duties, and the frequent website slowdowns that have been happening, there's just so much to do that implementing new types of blocks in the Scratch editor that could technically be workaroundable isn't a high priority.

(Indeed, we probably want to make sure that Scratch runs fast for everyone before we even think of implementing some suggestion like this.)

Plus, not to mention that we have been implementing some suggestions (better sound editor, larger paint canvas, etc.) but lots of vocal users will be unhappy regardless of what we implement. If we implemented more advanced custom blocks, for instance, I imagine there would be a lot of users who say “Oh, so you could add this, but you can't add dark mode?”

Patience is the best virtue, and even then, we can't all win.

1. They probably will add the suggestions but it takes time
2. It will take even longer because of Covid-19

-db wrote:

1. They probably will add the suggestions but it takes time
2. It will take even longer because of Covid-19

Especially the fact they can't meet up in person.

i think its because if they keep on adding features mindlessly it will probably cause problems with past suggestions implemented or other suggestions
sort of reminds me of that scene in sonic boom where knuckles becomes mayor !

Caution1752 wrote:

i think its because if they keep on adding features mindlessly it will probably cause problems with past suggestions implemented or other suggestions
sort of reminds me of that scene in sonic boom where knuckles becomes mayor !

Well I wouldn't say “mindlessly”. They would add certain suggestions that are well known.

Za-Chary wrote:

Maybe because there's so much other stuff happening on the website, and the Scratch Team is so small, that we can't possibly implement all these suggestions. Between the Black Lives Matter movement, the increased activity due to the COVID-19 pandemic, our regular moderator duties, and the frequent website slowdowns that have been happening, there's just so much to do that implementing new types of blocks in the Scratch editor that could technically be workaroundable isn't a high priority.

(Indeed, we probably want to make sure that Scratch runs fast for everyone before we even think of implementing some suggestion like this.)

Plus, not to mention that we have been implementing some suggestions (better sound editor, larger paint canvas, etc.) but lots of vocal users will be unhappy regardless of what we implement. If we implemented more advanced custom blocks, for instance, I imagine there would be a lot of users who say “Oh, so you could add this, but you can't add dark mode?”

Patience is the best virtue, and even then, we can't all win.

Thanks, and I didn't mean to be insulting or sound selfish.

gosoccerboy5 wrote:

Ok, hear me out. This is a genuine question. Why doesn't the Scratch Team add certain suggestions that I'd love to have?
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Is it that they have certain reasons that we don't know about?
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If you have not seen it before, This document might help with your question about there being certain reasons. The Design Principles section is about half way down. I actually liked what they said about adding features “we have found that reducing the number of features often improves the user experience. What initially seems like a constraint or limitation can foster new forms of creativity.“

I like looking at the early, pre-1.0, version of scratch and wondering what discussions were made to remove features. For example, very early on you could create scripts that could be used as reporters (they had an “output” block for returning a value).

I'm going to hold the parts I respond to:

Is it that they're coming in 4.0? Not according to plan.
Is it that they don't have the resources to implement them? It depends on what the suggestion is. For example, Scratch for video game consoles is rejected because they don't have these resources.
Is it that they'd confuse New Scratchers if implemented? Sometimes – such as 3D Scratch.
Is it that they have certain reasons that we don't know about? If they told us, then they wouldn't be so secret, eh?
Or is it that they're too lazy to do anything and they just leave us hanging? Just because they don't implement MOST suggestions doesn't mean they're lazy.

Actually, it's none of the above. It takes a lot of thinking, debating, and initiation. The Scratch Team doesn't always announce when suggestions are implemented – you'd have to look around at the site.

Nonetheless, there are some more recent suggestions that were implemented. An announcement was made on F4F and advertising. Scratch videos have captions. There are decoy report options to stop lots of false reporting.

That being said, the Scratch Team doesn't announce them – which means some might be in the process of working on them, so we might just have to wait a bit longer.

In other news, @Paddle2See* said on the “change gender setting” suggestion that they do want to add this feature, so we might get that suggestion implemented in the near future.

It's open-source, why don't you do implement suggestions and see how hard it is yourself?

gosoccerboy5 wrote:

Is it that they're coming in 4.0?
Is it that they don't have the resources to implement them?
Is it that they'd confuse New Scratchers if implemented?
Is it that they have certain reasons that we don't know about?
Or is it that they're too lazy to do anything and they just leave us hanging?

You're doing the [img] thing too-

1. I don't think they're planning on Scratch 4.0.

• “Also — you should probably assume that any suggestions made will be for Scratch 3.0. We're still working on that and have not thought about a Scratch 4.0 yet.” [source]
  
• “As far as I know, there are still no plans that I've heard to upgrade to a Scratch 4.0 anytime soon.” [source]
  
• “We are still working on 3.0 and have not even thought about when 4.0 would be released, or what it would contain.” [source]
  

2. I am pretty sure they have, as they made the website.
3. We have things that can confuse New Scratchers already, I don't think most stuff suggested is a problem either.
4. Well - seeing as we aren't in the Scratch Team, we don't know if that is true or false.
5. No.“too lazy” - just no.

Thanks all! I didn't mean to be an idiot or be offensive, I just wanted to understand a bit more of what goes on in the “Scratch Design Process”.

gosoccerboy5 wrote:

Ok, hear me out. This is a genuine question. Why doesn't the Scratch Team add certain suggestions that I'd love to have?

Is it that they're coming in 4.0?
Is it that they don't have the resources to implement them?
Is it that they'd confuse New Scratchers if implemented?
Is it that they have certain reasons that we don't know about?
Or is it that they're too lazy to do anything and they just leave us hanging?

Please tell me, as I'd like to know why a lot of suggestions don't get implemented. Maybe I can make more constructive posts.

It's probably a different reason for each suggestion.