ZaharaMar wrote:

Flaame wrote:

ZaharaMar wrote:

Aquaflame wrote:

Let's make a list of who likes the update and who doesn't.

Who likes the update
Unlocked, Blueinkproductions, frodewin, GreenConsole, skyset, Thepuzzlegame, Xelophelt, buzzfuzz45, derpmeup, twiggy234, NoxSpooth, Icey29, pokesnail, Pull_Josh, c00lme, wildweasel, 900miles, ProdigyZeta7, Gamco_Extreme, lifesalibrary4me

Who doesn't like the update
VoltageGames, Will_Wam, Elsa_The_Conqueror, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow, Kreyos, Flygon12345678, -Because_Im_Batman-, Pretty_Girl, dinocatmeow, SnowKittyartist, helloyowazzup, Blackswift, TheGeneraless, Scratchifier, aminameow4, GetWithTheProgram, Mtcrafter, RED-drag0n, Lilry1, austin360, Superdoggy, Sifef, sophielymes527, Fox16, HAnthony, Aquaflame, -TheDoctor-, GrannyCookies, andrewjl, tiny288, Infinity-, Eugenbross, gcenac, TheMistyPuppy2000, DarkCrystalBall, Epicness123, jetpac, flexaxu, __–Programmer–__, MiniMacro, L-Rignity, jrezneckbhds, violin16, hacker, Teanaway, Story_Teller, flaame
Please feel free to add yourself to either list.

You should add this list:

Who want the dissagreement to stop!
ZaharaMar
Who doesn't want the disagreement to stop!
Flaame
Add yourself, please.

Thank you for giving your opinion. However, the scratch team said votes don't matter now, it isn't always about the numbers…

Flaame wrote:

ZaharaMar wrote:

Flaame wrote:

ZaharaMar wrote:

Aquaflame wrote:

Let's make a list of who likes the update and who doesn't.

Who likes the update
Unlocked, Blueinkproductions, frodewin, GreenConsole, skyset, Thepuzzlegame, Xelophelt, buzzfuzz45, derpmeup, twiggy234, NoxSpooth, Icey29, pokesnail, Pull_Josh, c00lme, wildweasel, 900miles, ProdigyZeta7, Gamco_Extreme, lifesalibrary4me

Who doesn't like the update
VoltageGames, Will_Wam, Elsa_The_Conqueror, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow, Kreyos, Flygon12345678, -Because_Im_Batman-, Pretty_Girl, dinocatmeow, SnowKittyartist, helloyowazzup, Blackswift, TheGeneraless, Scratchifier, aminameow4, GetWithTheProgram, Mtcrafter, RED-drag0n, Lilry1, austin360, Superdoggy, Sifef, sophielymes527, Fox16, HAnthony, Aquaflame, -TheDoctor-, GrannyCookies, andrewjl, tiny288, Infinity-, Eugenbross, gcenac, TheMistyPuppy2000, DarkCrystalBall, Epicness123, jetpac, flexaxu, __–Programmer–__, MiniMacro, L-Rignity, jrezneckbhds, violin16, hacker, Teanaway, Story_Teller

Please feel free to add yourself to either list.

You should add this list:

Who want the dissagreement to stop!
ZaharaMar
Who doesn't want the disagreement to stop!
Flaame
Add yourself, please.

Thank you for giving your opinion. However, the scratch team said votes don't matter now, it isn't always about the numbers…

Says the person who started the Who want the disagreement to stop thing. That involves voting and numbers too you know.

ZaharaMar wrote:

Flaame wrote:

ZaharaMar wrote:

Flaame wrote:

ZaharaMar wrote:

Aquaflame wrote:

Let's make a list of who likes the update and who doesn't.

Who likes the update
Unlocked, Blueinkproductions, frodewin, GreenConsole, skyset, Thepuzzlegame, Xelophelt, buzzfuzz45, derpmeup, twiggy234, NoxSpooth, Icey29, pokesnail, Pull_Josh, c00lme, wildweasel, 900miles, ProdigyZeta7, Gamco_Extreme, lifesalibrary4me

Who doesn't like the update
VoltageGames, Will_Wam, Elsa_The_Conqueror, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow, Kreyos, Flygon12345678, -Because_Im_Batman-, Pretty_Girl, dinocatmeow, SnowKittyartist, helloyowazzup, Blackswift, TheGeneraless, Scratchifier, aminameow4, GetWithTheProgram, Mtcrafter, RED-drag0n, Lilry1, austin360, Superdoggy, Sifef, sophielymes527, Fox16, HAnthony, Aquaflame, -TheDoctor-, GrannyCookies, andrewjl, tiny288, Infinity-, Eugenbross, gcenac, TheMistyPuppy2000, DarkCrystalBall, Epicness123, jetpac, flexaxu, __–Programmer–__, MiniMacro, L-Rignity, jrezneckbhds, violin16, hacker, Teanaway, Story_Teller, Flaame

Please feel free to add yourself to either list.

You should add this list:

Who want the dissagreement to stop!
ZaharaMar
Who doesn't want the disagreement to stop!
Flaame
Add yourself, please.

Thank you for giving your opinion. However, the scratch team said votes don't matter now, it isn't always about the numbers…

Says the person who started the Who want the disagreement to stop thing. That involves voting and numbers too you know.

Yes! Exactly! My vote doesn't count. Sorry, but I hate when people fight. I should learn not to be involved…. Sorry, again.

Flaame wrote:

ZaharaMar wrote:

Flaame wrote:

ZaharaMar wrote:

Flaame wrote:

ZaharaMar wrote:

Aquaflame wrote:

Let's make a list of who likes the update and who doesn't.

Who likes the update
Unlocked, Blueinkproductions, frodewin, GreenConsole, skyset, Thepuzzlegame, Xelophelt, buzzfuzz45, derpmeup, twiggy234, NoxSpooth, Icey29, pokesnail, Pull_Josh, c00lme, wildweasel, 900miles, ProdigyZeta7, Gamco_Extreme, lifesalibrary4me

Who doesn't like the update
VoltageGames, Will_Wam, Elsa_The_Conqueror, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow, Kreyos, Flygon12345678, -Because_Im_Batman-, Pretty_Girl, dinocatmeow, SnowKittyartist, helloyowazzup, Blackswift, TheGeneraless, Scratchifier, aminameow4, GetWithTheProgram, Mtcrafter, RED-drag0n, Lilry1, austin360, Superdoggy, Sifef, sophielymes527, Fox16, HAnthony, Aquaflame, -TheDoctor-, GrannyCookies, andrewjl, tiny288, Infinity-, Eugenbross, gcenac, TheMistyPuppy2000, DarkCrystalBall, Epicness123, jetpac, flexaxu, __–Programmer–__, MiniMacro, L-Rignity, jrezneckbhds, violin16, hacker, Teanaway, Story_Teller, Flaame

Please feel free to add yourself to either list.

You should add this list:

Who want the dissagreement to stop!
ZaharaMar
Who doesn't want the disagreement to stop!
Flaame
Add yourself, please.

Thank you for giving your opinion. However, the scratch team said votes don't matter now, it isn't always about the numbers…

Says the person who started the Who want the disagreement to stop thing. That involves voting and numbers too you know.

Yes! Exactly! My vote doesn't count. Sorry, but I hate when people fight. I should learn not to be involved…. Sorry, again.

OK then. Let's be smart and end the fight.

helloyowuzzup wrote:

Ack. I keep telling myself not to post but then posting XD

Okay. Just a question, not taking either side.

Would it be possible, Scratch Team, for you to add a way to see the amount of comments like you did for the followers? Although people don't seem to be as worried about the comments, I among others do sort of miss them, and I like being able to see my followers with just the click of a button like you've let us. I think if you did that, I for one wouldn't have any legitimate complaints since you can see anything by just clicking one more button.

ZaharaMar wrote:

Everyone, please stop this. If the Scratch Team decided on this arrangement, there isn't a point in arguing. I know a lot of scratchers that had a bunch of followers don't like this update because… But other like this addition. I've seen multiple scratchers only talk to people because the number they have on their “followers” section. Say, if a scratcher has no followers, but has amazing coding skills, some scratchers that only focus on the number will miss out on the wonderful projects. It is just a number. It will feel better, knowing that people appreciate you by being yourself and not by the gazillion followers you have. This doesn't require disagreements or anything else. You don't need to post how many followers you have on the comments, what will that accomplish? From my point of view, this is a good addition. A lot of you have posted things like, “ It doesn't matter the number of followers.” and “There is no such thing as being famous.” and “ Don't follow for follow”, but if you don't like this new addition, I cannot see how you could believe that “Scratch isn't about the followers you have.” This doesn't need to cause a total disagreement, but a new beginning. We all have different opinions, but in my case, I support this addition.
Regards,
ZaharaMar.

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Scratchifier wrote:

Why I believe that this update is bad:

1. Taking the follow numbers away from the profile page does nothing. Well, it does do something. It annoys me because I have to load one more page just to check more followers. This means that I'll hardly know when somebody unfollows me. I like to know if that happens because I don't want to be advertising something to repeatedly and annoying people, being too active… etc. However, about the people who are obsessed with followers, how will that discourage them? If they have enough time to spam several hundred people with follow requests, how is clicking one little button going to get them to stop? And taking the numbers away doesn't mean that they don't want followers any more.

2. I like to keep track of everything on my profile and projects so that I know what people like, what types of projects encourage what types of activity, and so on. For example, I can tell you that my Updates project got quite a number of random comments on my profile, love its on my other projects, and not many love its for itself (compared to my other things of course). Now I know that disguising a game as an Updates project is a terrible marketing ploy. If there were no numbers, then how would I know not to do that again?

3. When you visit a profile, you usually have no idea how good or bad a user is at Scratch. Should you check out their projects? Should you not? Is the user just getting all of their thumbnails from another user that makes them look better at Scratch? Well, to determine this, many Scratchers look at the number of followers. If there are a lot of followers in a short amount of time, then you know that it's probably worth checking out their projects! I usually will compare the number of followers to the joined date so that I know if the given Scratcher is something new in the world of Scratch. I'm not saying that it's not worth checking out projects if the user doesn't have many followers, but I subconsciously do this a lot and it's really annoying if I need to click twice more to do this! That's a big waste of time! (Thanks to other Scratchers for reminding me of this).

4. In a matter of minutes, I've several Scratchers have all gotten annoyed at this change. They are also some reputable Scratchers, such as: VoltageGames, WILL_WAM, ELSA_THE_CONQUEROR, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow… need I continue?

Edit: List of more annoyed Scratchers: Flygon12345678, -Because_Im_Batman-, PRETTY_GIRL, dinocatmeow, SnowKittyartist, helloyowazzup, BLACKSWIFT, THEGENERALESS, aminameow4, GetWithTheProgram, MTCRAFTER, RED-drag0n, Lilry1, austin360, SUPERDOGGY, SIFEF, sophielymes527, Fox16, HAnthony, AQUAFLAME, -THEDOCTOR-, GRANNYCOOKIES, andrewjl, tiny288, Infinity-, Eugenbross, gcenac, TheMistyPuppy2000, DARKCRYSTALBALL, Epicness123, JETPAC, flexaxu, __–Programmer–__, MiniMacro, L-Rignity, jrezneckbhds, violin16, hacker, Teanaway, Story_Teller, Kreyos (KILOZ)…

Now, how many Scratchers are there? How many don't like this? I'm going to let you count and see how annoying that is.

As a simple note, Scratchers in all capitals are well known Scratchers who have worked hard for their popularity. They are all annoyed at you right now. Is this what you wanted?

Please revert this change.

-Scratchifier and many more-

technoboy10 wrote:

@ST I don't mind the update that much. I'm curious though, are you going to remove other numbery things on the site altogether for consistency? (studio projects/comments, forum posts, etc.)

Aquaflame wrote:

Let's make a list of who likes the update and who doesn't.

Who likes the update
Unlocked, Blueinkproductions, frodewin, GreenConsole, skyset, Thepuzzlegame, Xelophelt, buzzfuzz45, derpmeup, twiggy234, NoxSpooth, Icey29, pokesnail, Pull_Josh, c00lme, wildweasel, 900miles, ProdigyZeta7, Gamco_Extreme, lifesalibrary4me

Who doesn't like the update
VoltageGames, Will_Wam, Elsa_The_Conqueror, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow, Kreyos, Flygon12345678, -Because_Im_Batman-, Pretty_Girl, dinocatmeow, SnowKittyartist, helloyowazzup, Blackswift, TheGeneraless, Scratchifier, aminameow4, GetWithTheProgram, Mtcrafter, RED-drag0n, Lilry1, austin360, Superdoggy, Sifef, sophielymes527, Fox16, HAnthony, Aquaflame, -TheDoctor-, GrannyCookies, andrewjl, tiny288, Infinity-, Eugenbross, gcenac, TheMistyPuppy2000, DarkCrystalBall, Epicness123, jetpac, flexaxu, __–Programmer–__, MiniMacro, L-Rignity, jrezneckbhds, violin16, hacker, Teanaway, Story_Teller

Please feel free to add yourself to either list.

jrezneckbhds wrote:

ZaharaMar wrote:

Everyone, please stop this. If the Scratch Team decided on this arrangement, there isn't a point in arguing. I know a lot of scratchers that had a bunch of followers don't like this update… But other like this addition. I've seen multiple scratchers only talk to people because the number they have on their “followers” section. Say, if a scratcher has no followers, but has amazing coding skills, some scratchers that only focuses on the number will miss out on the wonderful projects. It is just a number. It will feel better, knowing that people appreciate you by being yourself and not by the gazillion followers you have. This doesn't require disagreements or anything else. You don't need to post how many followers you have on the comments, what will that accomplish? From my point of view, this is a good addition. A lot of you have posted things like, “ It doesn't matter the number of followers.” and “There is no such thing as being famous.” and “ Don't follow for follow”, but if you don't like this new addition, I cannot see how you could believe that “Scratch isn't about the followers you have.” This doesn't need to cause a total disagreement, but a new beginning. We all have different opinions, but in my case, I support this addition.
Regards,
ZaharaMar.

Just by reading it,i can hear wisdom in your words!

chennai94 wrote:

speakvisually wrote:

Hey everyone,

You might notice your profile page looks a little bit different. Profile pages no longer display the number of Followers and Following. (You can still view this information by clicking the ‘View All’ button on the Followers / Following panel.) The number of profile comments are no longer displayed too.

Why do this? We want to make sure people see someone’s projects, studios, and connections and not focus too much on the numbers. After all, it doesn’t matter if you have 10 followers or 10,000. Scratch is a place for creating, collaborating, and supporting fellow Scratchers.

The Scratch Mentors put together an awesome remix project about “What is the meaning of followers?” http://scratch.mit.edu.ezproxyberklee.flo.org/projects/25999074/ Check it out and see how other Scratchers think about followers! Feel free to share your thoughts too!