violin16 wrote:

Are we disabling view numbers next?
Are we disabling message numbers next?
Are we disabling forum post numbers next?
Are we disabling all comment numbers next?
Are we disabling all studio numbers next?
Are we disabling every number on this site next?

Unlocked wrote:

Is it only me or does this sound like the Microsoft thing where at first, everyone was like “Oh no! Microsoft will do this bad thing and this and this and this” and so on. Then later people realized “Wait. that's ridiculous. Why would they do that? We have no proof that they would and it would make no sense for them to do that”. I know it doesn't relate perfectly but people are giving some pretty ridiculous arguments here. For example, something like this

violin16 wrote:

Are we disabling view numbers next?
Are we disabling message numbers next?
Are we disabling forum post numbers next?
Are we disabling all comment numbers next?
Are we disabling all studio numbers next?
Are we disabling every number on this site next?

is completely ridiculous. People who say things like that are clearly trying to exaggerate the update and are intentionally trying to misinterpret the goal of the scratch team.

Aquaflame wrote:

Then what IS the goal of the Scratch Team?

900miles wrote:

Aquaflame wrote:

Then what IS the goal of the Scratch Team?

To make Scratch a better place.

Superdoggy wrote:

Lilry1 wrote:

Superdoggy wrote:

Lilry1 wrote:

63% of the people I asked, said they liked the new update.

Who did you ask?
I don't think this number is accurate.
For example, I did the same survey, but I got 100% no.
Because I only asked my brother.

4 people, one person wasn't entirely sure

4 people is not enough for a full “study”. (Neither is my one. xD)
An accurate survey study would probably be about 20 people. And they have to be completely random, or else it doesn't work.

Aquaflame wrote:

900miles wrote:

Aquaflame wrote:

Then what IS the goal of the Scratch Team?

To make Scratch a better place.

And how is removing the follower count making Scratch a better place?

Speakvisually wrote:

Why do this? We want to make sure people see someone’s projects, studios, and connections and not focus too much on the numbers. After all, it doesn’t matter if you have 10 followers or 10,000. Scratch is a place for creating, collaborating, and supporting fellow Scratchers.

Scratchifier wrote:

Why I believe that this update is bad:

1. Taking the follow numbers away from the profile page does nothing. Well, it does do something. It annoys me because I have to load one more page just to check more followers. This means that I'll hardly know when somebody unfollows me. I like to know if that happens because I don't want to be advertising something to repeatedly and annoying people, being too active… etc. However, about the people who are obsessed with followers, how will that discourage them? If they have enough time to spam several hundred people with follow requests, how is clicking one little button going to get them to stop? And taking the numbers away doesn't mean that they don't want followers any more.

2. I like to keep track of everything on my profile and projects so that I know what people like, what types of projects encourage what types of activity, and so on. For example, I can tell you that my Updates project got quite a number of random comments on my profile, love its on my other projects, and not many love its for itself (compared to my other things of course). Now I know that disguising a game as an Updates project is a terrible marketing ploy. If there were no numbers, then how would I know not to do that again?

3. When you visit a profile, you usually have no idea how good or bad a user is at Scratch. Should you check out their projects? Should you not? Is the user just getting all of their thumbnails from another user that makes them look better at Scratch? Well, to determine this, many Scratchers look at the number of followers. If there are a lot of followers in a short amount of time, then you know that it's probably worth checking out their projects! I usually will compare the number of followers to the joined date so that I know if the given Scratcher is something new in the world of Scratch. I'm not saying that it's not worth checking out projects if the user doesn't have many followers, but I subconsciously do this a lot and it's really annoying if I need to click twice more to do this! That's a big waste of time! (Thanks to other Scratchers for reminding me of this).

4. In a matter of minutes, I've several Scratchers have all gotten annoyed at this change. They are also some reputable Scratchers, such as: VoltageGames, WILL_WAM, ELSA_THE_CONQUEROR, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow… need I continue?

Edit: List of more annoyed Scratchers: Flygon12345678, -Because_Im_Batman-, PRETTY_GIRL, dinocatmeow, SnowKittyartist, helloyowazzup, BLACKSWIFT, THEGENERALESS, aminameow4, GetWithTheProgram, MTCRAFTER, RED-drag0n, Lilry1, austin360, SUPERDOGGY, SIFEF, sophielymes527, Fox16, HAnthony, AQUAFLAME, -THEDOCTOR-, GRANNYCOOKIES, andrewjl, tiny288, Infinity-, Eugenbross, gcenac, TheMistyPuppy2000, DARKCRYSTALBALL, Epicness123, JETPAC, flexaxu, __–Programmer–__, MiniMacro, L-Rignity, jrezneckbhds, violin16, hacker…

Now, how many Scratchers are there? How many don't like this? I'm going to let you count and see how annoying that is.

As a simple note, Scratchers in all capitals are well known Scratchers who have worked hard for their popularity. They are all annoyed at you right now. Is this what you wanted?

Please revert this change.

-Scratchifier and many more-

GreenConsole wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

Why I believe that this update is bad:

1. Taking the follow numbers away from the profile page does nothing. Well, it does do something. It annoys me because I have to load one more page just to check more followers. This means that I'll hardly know when somebody unfollows me. I like to know if that happens because I don't want to be advertising something to repeatedly and annoying people, being too active… etc. However, about the people who are obsessed with followers, how will that discourage them? If they have enough time to spam several hundred people with follow requests, how is clicking one little button going to get them to stop? And taking the numbers away doesn't mean that they don't want followers any more.

2. I like to keep track of everything on my profile and projects so that I know what people like, what types of projects encourage what types of activity, and so on. For example, I can tell you that my Updates project got quite a number of random comments on my profile, love its on my other projects, and not many love its for itself (compared to my other things of course). Now I know that disguising a game as an Updates project is a terrible marketing ploy. If there were no numbers, then how would I know not to do that again?

3. When you visit a profile, you usually have no idea how good or bad a user is at Scratch. Should you check out their projects? Should you not? Is the user just getting all of their thumbnails from another user that makes them look better at Scratch? Well, to determine this, many Scratchers look at the number of followers. If there are a lot of followers in a short amount of time, then you know that it's probably worth checking out their projects! I usually will compare the number of followers to the joined date so that I know if the given Scratcher is something new in the world of Scratch. I'm not saying that it's not worth checking out projects if the user doesn't have many followers, but I subconsciously do this a lot and it's really annoying if I need to click twice more to do this! That's a big waste of time! (Thanks to other Scratchers for reminding me of this).

4. In a matter of minutes, I've several Scratchers have all gotten annoyed at this change. They are also some reputable Scratchers, such as: VoltageGames, WILL_WAM, ELSA_THE_CONQUEROR, -Flash-, TheAnimationShow… need I continue?

Edit: List of more annoyed Scratchers: Flygon12345678, -Because_Im_Batman-, PRETTY_GIRL, dinocatmeow, SnowKittyartist, helloyowazzup, BLACKSWIFT, THEGENERALESS, aminameow4, GetWithTheProgram, MTCRAFTER, RED-drag0n, Lilry1, austin360, SUPERDOGGY, SIFEF, sophielymes527, Fox16, HAnthony, AQUAFLAME, -THEDOCTOR-, GRANNYCOOKIES, andrewjl, tiny288, Infinity-, Eugenbross, gcenac, TheMistyPuppy2000, DARKCRYSTALBALL, Epicness123, JETPAC, flexaxu, __–Programmer–__, MiniMacro, L-Rignity, jrezneckbhds, violin16, hacker…

Now, how many Scratchers are there? How many don't like this? I'm going to let you count and see how annoying that is.

As a simple note, Scratchers in all capitals are well known Scratchers who have worked hard for their popularity. They are all annoyed at you right now. Is this what you wanted?

Please revert this change.

-Scratchifier and many more-

People who like the update: THE REST OF SCRATCH

Aquaflame wrote:

GreenConsole wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

-snip-

People who like the update: THE REST OF SCRATCH

No, I think it's a select few who benefit from this update.

Blueinkproductions wrote:

Aquaflame wrote:

GreenConsole wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

-snip-

People who like the update: THE REST OF SCRATCH

No, I think it's a select few who benefit from this update.

I think it's a select few who do not like this update.

yakone12 wrote:

violin16 wrote:

I disagree with this update.

Why?
I think the problem is not that Scratchers care about the numbers, it's that many don't understand their value.
When I'm having a bad day, or when I feel worthless. Scratch is always there. And one of the things that gets me motivated is the followers. I can glance at my profile and say to myself “I have 42 people that look up to me and value me. They like my coding/personality/whatever to literally stalk me. They want to see what I do and who I am. That's how much I mean to them.”

I think hiding the follower number is going to change very little. Mostly people are just going to get annoyed. Instead, spread the word. Maybe put something next to your follower number, when you hover over it saying. “wow! you have lots of people who care and admire you!”, “remember: it's only a number.” or other positive messages. Maybe tell scratchers about this.

Will this stop f4f?
No.
Many people who f4f don't do it for the numbers. They do it so other people will check out their stuff. It's a general human desire to be recognized. Stopping it is impossible.

Are we disabling the love and fav numbers next?

We want to make sure people see someone’s projects, studios, and connections and not focus too much on the numbers.

It is the same for fav/love numbers. A project isn't “bad” if it has little support. A project isn't “good” if it has much support. People might see low numbers and think “oh no! no one cares about my project! I'm terrible!” but this will happen for everything. People need to understand that the numbers are not a true value. Hiding numbers won't change that.

Spreading the word will.

And yet these numbers have value.

Every scratcher dreams/remembers the day they hit 100 followers.
Or get top-loved.
Or featured.
We use these numbers as an accomplishment, a mark of achieving something grand.

Are we disabling years on scratch next?

We want to make sure people see someone’s projects, studios, and connections and not focus too much on the numbers.

It is the same for year numbers. Quality projects, studios, and connections do not come directly from time on the site. But people see high year numbers and think “oh no! I've been here for so long and no one sees my stuff! I'm terrible!” but again, this is something to be understood not to be hidden. How can we solve this?

Spreading the word.

Are we disabling view numbers next?
Are we disabling message numbers next?
Are we disabling forum post numbers next?
Are we disabling all comment numbers next?
Are we disabling all studio numbers next?
Are we disabling every number on this site next?

The answer, I hope not.
I hope not.

this guy/gal right here should get a award. i dont know what to say. this made me rethink of my first post (or was it the second one?). again you should win a award from this

GreenConsole wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

-Snip-

People who like the update: THE REST OF SCRATCH

Unlocked wrote:

Is it only me or does this sound like the Microsoft thing where at first, everyone was like “Oh no! Microsoft will do this bad thing and this and this and this” and so on. Then later people realized “Wait. that's ridiculous. Why would they do that? We have no proof that they would and it would make no sense for them to do that”. I know it doesn't relate perfectly but people are giving some pretty ridiculous arguments here. For example, something like this

violin16 wrote:

Are we disabling view numbers next?
Are we disabling message numbers next?
Are we disabling forum post numbers next?
Are we disabling all comment numbers next?
Are we disabling all studio numbers next?
Are we disabling every number on this site next?

is completely ridiculous. People who say things like that are clearly trying to exaggerate the update and are intentionally trying to misinterpret the goal of the scratch team.

Blueinkproductions wrote:

Aquaflame wrote:

GreenConsole wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

-snip-

People who like the update: THE REST OF SCRATCH

No, I think it's a select few who benefit from this update.

I think it's a select few who do not like this update.

Aquaflame wrote:

Let's make a list of who likes the update and who doesn't.

900miles wrote:

Aquaflame wrote:

Let's make a list of who likes the update and who doesn't.

Let's not.