Waiting Between Remixing and Sharing

sportfan999

Maybe New Scratchers would have to wait more time?

scratchmaster295

Support. I feel for the people who have to go reporting all of the remixes that never changed anything

bigbigbigeeveefan

I don't know if I support this or not so…semi-support if that's a thing.

allwoodaj

bigbigbigeeveefan wrote:
I don't know if I support this or not so…semi-support if that's a thing.

Indeed, semi-support exists. However, please remember to be constructive in your reasoning!

FreezeNova

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
Hey there! Please read the entire post, and leave constructive posts below.

So, I've seen MANY times where people just press “Remix”, then “Share”. What's even worse is when some of those projects get more popular than the original project. That's absurd, because they did no work, and they aren't using Scratch creatively. They're just mindlessly creating exact copies of projects.

I propose that we wait for a few minutes before being able to share remixes.

Why:

-Remixes, if being remade creatively, should take even longer than a few minutes, so if you're not making an exact copy of a project, this shouldn't be a problem at all.

-You can just sit around doing nothing for a few minutes and wait it out, sure, but you can also make changes to the project. You probably won't just sit there, you would be messing around with SOMETHING.

-If people tried to share a remixed project within a few minutes, a box can instead pop up, saying,
Sorry, you must wait a few minutes before sharing this remix. For more information, visit this forum
thread.
That Scratcher would then discover why, discover that copying is banned, and make changes.

Edit: I noticed that people with OC's only need a short amount of time to create OC remixes, so I think that just like the bad word detector, there should be a title detector that looks for keywords (e.g. art, OC, convert, add), and if that title detector finds these keywords, then you will have to wait a shorter amount of time, as opposed to any other remixes.

Edit 2: I have removed the support/semi-support/no support list. As I thought about it, I didn't find a reason to have it, because the Scratch Team only implements suggestions if it is useful, feasible, and helpful. The only reason to have a list would be to show off, which isn't what I was aiming at. I'll remove this before anyone gets me wrong.

I hope that makes sense. Please tell me whether you agree and WHY you agree/disagree, and how it can be improved!

Thanks for your view, Scratch!

Support. This would help prevent exact remixes, and it would prevent people from continuously remixing and sharing to spam. One time I got like 5 messages in a minute from just someone continuously remixing my project, then resharing.

FloralAnimator

FreezeNova wrote:
Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
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Support. This would help prevent exact remixes, and it would prevent people from continuously remixing and sharing to spam. One time I got like 5 messages in a minute from just someone continuously remixing my project, then resharing.

You don't need to quote the original post as they know your replying to them,it just takes up a lot of space,just use ‘'-snip-’' if your quoting a long post as it takes up almost the whole page.

gosoccerboy5

For the most part I support because this would help lower copying levels but there was a specific instance where I created an archive for the different versions for this game I created, and I wanted to share all the projects on my alt account so it didn't clutter my main. (long sentence lol). I ended up remixing the projects and i feel like it would've been a pain in the butt to wait for all of them.

Otherwise I support!

Impurplenohesnot

Support! Good idea （＾∀＾●）ﾉｼ

Super_Scratch_Bros20

Impurplenohesnot wrote:
Support! Good idea （＾∀＾●）ﾉｼ

Thanks a bunch – but please be sure to explain why!

PewDiePython

I support, but a good thing to add is to check if anything has been changed, that would work better then the timer. Changing something from the project allows the remix button to show up, that would be really good.

Super_Scratch_Bros20

PewDiePython wrote:
I support, but a good thing to add is to check if anything has been changed, that would work better then the timer. Changing something from the project allows the remix button to show up, that would be really good.

They'd all be unchanged if that was implemented. When remixing, the Notes and Credits automaticaply go blank. That's a change.

Imagine someone adding a tiny, almost invisible dot in the backdrop. That's a change.

Imagine a sprite that is never used. That's a change.

Don't suggest to censor minor remixes, though, as that's rejected!

PewDiePython

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
PewDiePython wrote:
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They'd all be unchanged if that was implemented. When remixing, the Notes and Credits automaticaply go blank. That's a change.

Imagine someone adding a tiny, almost invisible dot in the backdrop. That's a change.

Imagine a sprite that is never used. That's a change.

Don't suggest to censor minor remixes, though, as that's rejected!

I never thought of that, that's very true. But I still support your idea, because this has happened so many times with my projects. And I don't want it to happen to more people.

Super_Scratch_Bros20

bump (times 1000)

SUPER MEGA ULTIMATE DITTO OF THE CENTURY

arvepro3579

I support in many ways, because people do remix and then just share. But when a remix isn't changed, you could report it being a copy of the original. But what about making the project a file and copying without remixing. How would that be. By the way, what if someone finishes the remix fast, without copying. And by changes, they could just move a script to change it.

chrdagos

no support.

it's nonsense to say that anyone should wait some amount of time to share a remix. it doesn't matter if the wait is 3 minutes or an hour, it doesn't take much willpower to wait out the time limit. besides, a perfectly valid remix could be made in any amount of time if it be 2 minutes or a year.

but really, there is no single solution to the remixing problem. but if there is, then this isn't it

Super_Scratch_Bros20

chrdagos wrote:
no support.

it's nonsense to say that anyone should wait some amount of time to share a remix. it doesn't matter if the wait is 3 minutes or an hour, it doesn't take much willpower to wait out the time limit. besides, a perfectly valid remix could be made in any amount of time if it be 2 minutes or a year.

but really, there is no single solution to the remixing problem. but if there is, then this isn't it

It's just to stop people from pressing “remix”, then “share”. It gives them time to think about what they've done and how to improve on it, just like the 60 Second Rule. Both seem effective in spam, and if you're doing what you should, the wait wouldn't seem very long.

chrdagos

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
It's just to stop people from pressing “remix”, then “share”. It gives them time to think about what they've done and how to improve on it, just like the 60 Second Rule. Both seem effective in spam, and if you're doing what you should, the wait wouldn't seem very long.

the 60-second rule is supposed to prevent spam, and again it doesn't take much will power to wait. doesn't matter if the wait is 3 minutes or 999, most of us have time.

if you want to take out spam of any kind, you'll have to probe into the mind of many people to figure out just why some people spam.

Super_Scratch_Bros20

chrdagos wrote:
Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:
It's just to stop people from pressing “remix”, then “share”. It gives them time to think about what they've done and how to improve on it, just like the 60 Second Rule. Both seem effective in spam, and if you're doing what you should, the wait wouldn't seem very long.
the 60-second rule is supposed to prevent spam, and again it doesn't take much will power to wait. doesn't matter if the wait is 3 minutes or 999, most of us have time.

And yet, the 60 Second Rule is only sixty seconds, but look at us now. I don't see much of a difference between “copying” a project and “spam”. At least, it's a certain form of it.

if you want to take out spam of any kind, you'll have to probe into the mind of many people to figure out just why some people spam.

By this logic, we should take out the 60 Second Rule, since the only way to remove spam is to probe into the minds of many people to figure out just why some people spam. It's basically a 60 Second Rule for remixes, shall I say.

sealifefriend

You can always report the project (although… chances are nothing will happen sometimes)

Surais_Treehouse

ThatOneWeirdDude wrote:
I think the time should be chosen by the creator.

Well, what if the creator was a little kid and didn't know how to set the time? Or wanted to make it a huge hassle for the remixer, so they chose a time like 60 minutes? That would be pretty ridiculous.

To add on to this idea, perhaps you could allow the owner to choose, on a scale of 1-10 minutes. If you wanted to make a CC, or an “Add your OC!” project, you could set it to perhaps 1 or 2 minutes. However, if you're making an incredibly detailed platformer, or an animation meme, 9 or 10 minutes should do the trick.

This would also serve as a replacement for the title word detector, which would be very helpful.

Last edited by Surais_Treehouse (Nov. 2, 2020 23:07:23)

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