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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

Za-Chary wrote:

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By a moderator? :P
I completely support this though, we really need a solution and this is a step towards it.
Catscratcher07
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

I need to make this clear ,false reporting is reporting knowing something is not against the rules

Last edited by Catscratcher07 (May 31, 2020 19:42:18)

PrincessFlowerTV
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

Catscratcher07 wrote:

I need to make this clear ,false reporting is reporting knowing something is not against the rules
We don't know that. As far as our knowledge goes, these users may think a certain element goes against the rules, but it's really just fine.
People make mistakes; don't assume the worst.

Last edited by PrincessFlowerTV (June 1, 2020 13:56:33)

ninjaMAR
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

Support
PrincessFlowerTV
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

ninjaMAR wrote:

Support
Don't forget to give your reasoning!
Maximouse
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

Mass reporting and false reporting aren't the same thing.
  • Mass reporting means that a lot of people report a project - typically, but not always, for no reason. When a project is mass reported, it's automatically unshared. This happened to a project that was recently featured but was a copy of another project, without any credit.
  • False reporting means that something is reported for no reason.
Nambaseking01
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

Paddle2See wrote:

I'm not sure what confusion needs to be cleared? It is obviously not okay to report something that doesn't go against the Community Guidelines. We make that pretty clear when you go to report something.

I agree - making an announcement won't stop the controversies because some people would obviously still false-report since the Scratch Team can't really do much except for maybe banning the false reporters and bringing back the unshared projects.

Making an announcement isn't a wizard's trick to psychologically change everyone.

Last edited by Nambaseking01 (June 6, 2020 09:38:14)

apple502j
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

I think the purpose is not to stop false-reporting, but to let people who are false-reported understand they can appeal. It could also encourage “true reporting”.
scratchykit5743
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

DEFINITE support.

this is a huge issue that i recognise, and this needs to be talked about.
MrFluffyPenguins
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iapere02 wrote:

Really guys?

A wise man said, “Stop It. Get Some Help.”
Hi, I'm Michael Jackson Jordan. Stop it. Get some help.

Last edited by MrFluffyPenguins (June 29, 2020 22:42:30)

thr565ono
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

I have a suggestion:

Do not allow more than 1 report per project per IP address (so you can't spam it on all your Alt accounts)

Any IDENTICAL report messages (that have been copied and pasted exactly) won't be sent to a moderator and count as a report

An algorithm to stop mass-reports on popular projects: (this would not be in a project or visible, I have written it in Scratch Blocks to make it easier to understand)
when project reported ::hat :: #0000ff
if <[1] < ((signed in views) / (reports))> then //more than 10 percent of viewers reported (change to higher if necessary)
unshare/hide project :: #ff5555
send to moderator :: #000000
else
keep shared :: #55ff55
send to moderator :: #000000
end

Last edited by thr565ono (June 10, 2020 15:51:12)

Super_Scratch_Bros20
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

Ah, I found this topic before I could suggest it myself. Good idea!

I've tried to explain that this is a myth to some users, but most of them trust popular Scratchers over the Scratch Team. I've also seen users claim to have been false reported when they actually break the Community Guidelines. It's very hard to persuade them that this is false when popular Scratchers that break the Community Guidelines say otherwise.

If the Scratch Team can convince them that false reporting is a myth, some famous Scratchers might get mad or say that it is a lie. However, Scratchers need to be exposed to the truth, rather than what Scratchers who break the Community Guidelines and use “mass reporting” as a cover-up tell them is true.

In other words, support. This will make a great impact on the Scratch Community.
BearSlothCoding
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

…but most of them trust popular Scratchers over the Scratch Team.
That is terrifying. One flaw of Scratch is how famous people can do anything at all and everyone will believe it and it will get popular, but it's even worse when they trust those famous people more than the ST themselves. That's like trusting a famous singer's claim that they got arrested even though they didn't do anything wrong over the police officers who arrested them. That is so bad, it is terrifying.
Super_Scratch_Bros20
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-removed by myself-

I have removed my post mentioning a user after a moderator snipped a significant part of my post, mentioning not to name names. The post is worthless without it, however, so I'll just remove the post.

Last edited by Super_Scratch_Bros20 (June 11, 2020 16:41:35)

BearSlothCoding
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

BearSlothCoding wrote:

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

…but most of them trust popular Scratchers over the Scratch Team.
That is terrifying. One flaw of Scratch is how famous people can do anything at all and everyone will believe it and it will get popular, but it's even worse when they trust those famous people more than the ST themselves. That's like trusting a famous singer's claim that they got arrested even though they didn't do anything wrong over the police officers who arrested them. That is so bad, it is terrifying.

Agreed. I also don't see why a lot of Scratchers follow (removed by moderator - please don't name names) just because he was “mass reported”. In my opinion, I think he got more popular when the project got taken down.
I'm also kind of mad at him, since he did start this madness. Although, it's not his fault people worship him. It's just sad that they do even though he is incorrect.

Last edited by Paddle2See (June 10, 2020 20:16:01)

PrincessFlowerTV
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

Bump.
Crystallemon2
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

PrincessFlowerTV wrote:

Bump.
What is that supposed to do with the topic
Super_Scratch_Bros20
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

Crystallemon2 wrote:

PrincessFlowerTV wrote:

Bump.
What is that supposed to do with the topic

It's a filler post that takes a topic back to the first page. It's useful if you want your topic to get attention.
Crystallemon2
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Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

Crystallemon2 wrote:

PrincessFlowerTV wrote:

Bump.
What is that supposed to do with the topic

It's a filler post that takes a topic back to the first page. It's useful if you want your topic to get attention.
ok
whiteandblackcat
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Make an official statement about mass/false reporting

I'm not sure an announcements topic would stop mass reporting, but it would help clear up some misconceptions. At the moment, there's so much controversy, no one knows what to believe. For instance:
I know mass reporting's becoming a big problem, but can scratchers really get banned temporarily if enough people report their projects? Or are they just trying to get attention?

A lot of people are also starting up studios, saying we need to “fix” the reporting system, often without ideas on what it should be changed to. I think an announcement from the ST would be good to clear up some of the controversy, at least so people know what to believe, and it might help calm people down a bit, if they know that the ST recognise mass reporting as an issue.

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