Don't allow users with less than 100 posts to post in Announcements

SmithersDidItAgain

SuperKamekArea wrote:
Okay..
I support!

Please be constructive and say why you support.

Lukesstitch

Nambaseking01 wrote:
Lukesstitch wrote:
I think that this is a good idea, but I think it should be 50 posts, not 100.

No, bad idea. People with 50 posts still spam (speaking from experience),

People with 50 posts usually don't spam, and spam can be reported.

OurPrincess

Semi-support:
People less experienced can't spam, but people who have over 100 posts might have spammed in other topics in order to spam on the Announcements forum. Let's say if someone has a history of spamming, they can't go on the Announcements forum unless they appeal. This will remove more spammers from that forum. People should check if they have a history of spamming. Although someone who hasn't spammed can spam, be checked and not be allowed on the Announcements forum unless they appeal.

46009361

OurPrincess wrote:
Semi-support:
People less experienced can't spam, but people who have over 100 posts might have spammed in other topics in order to spam on the Announcements forum. Let's say if someone has a history of spamming, they can't go on the Announcements forum unless they appeal. This will remove more spammers from that forum. People should check if they have a history of spamming. Although someone who hasn't spammed can spam, be checked and not be allowed on the Announcements forum unless they appeal.

Yeah, I just noticed that kind of thing could happen.

46009361

WindOctahedron wrote:
…and users would also try to reach 100 posts by spamming (I edited the quote by making it bold) to “unlock” Announcements.

Doesn't the 60-second rule (120-second for New Scratchers) prevent that enough?

WindOctahedron wrote:
Spammers would find out that they can't post there. After that, they would either quit or spam elsewhere. If they made a new topic for their spam, it would be simply closed with a message that they are spamming (which increases the chance of stoipping that). And if they posted it as a post on someone else's thread, it would be noticed more quickly.

*stopping

Catscratcher07

this would lead to more spam as humans would spam post and ncoropost to get 100 post so they can post in announcements

OurPrincess

Catscratcher07 wrote:
this would lead to more spam as humans would spam post and ncoropost to get 100 post so they can post in announcements

To me, that's obvious it would happen.

badatprogrammingibe

The announcements forum is a container for spam, much like the show and tell forum is a container for advertisement. This is why spam is allowed in the announcements forum; usually the only post that matters in the announcement forum is the first post, and all other posts after it are irrelevant; hence spam isn't an issue.
If you prevented spam in the announcement forums, people would just spam in the other forums where spam actually is harmful. Similarly, if the show and tell forum were to be removed; I can bet that there would be many spam topics advertising projects in the other forums.
As an old saying goes: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Last edited by badatprogrammingibe (Feb. 15, 2020 01:03:10)

Laptop_Fizz

badatprogrammingibe wrote:
The announcements forum is a container for spam, much like the show and tell forum is a container for advertisement. This is why spam is allowed in the announcements forum; usually the only post that matters in the announcement forum is the first post, and all other posts after it are irrelevant; hence spam isn't an issue.
If you prevented spam in the announcement forums, people would just spam in the other forums where spam actually is harmful. Similarly, if the show and tell forum were to be removed; I can bet that there would be many spam topics advertising projects in the other forums.
As an old saying goes: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I don't agree with this. Replying to the announcement can be useful to discuss the announcement or to ask questions. If it weren't so, then all announcements could simply be closed upon creating. Additionally, spam posts can slow down the Scratch servers and client's browser, even if the user has no intention of reading them.

badatprogrammingibe

Laptop_Fizz wrote:
badatprogrammingibe wrote:
The announcements forum is a container for spam, much like the show and tell forum is a container for advertisement. This is why spam is allowed in the announcements forum; usually the only post that matters in the announcement forum is the first post, and all other posts after it are irrelevant; hence spam isn't an issue.
If you prevented spam in the announcement forums, people would just spam in the other forums where spam actually is harmful. Similarly, if the show and tell forum were to be removed; I can bet that there would be many spam topics advertising projects in the other forums.
As an old saying goes: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I don't agree with this. Replying to the announcement can be useful to discuss the announcement or to ask questions. If it weren't so, then all announcements could simply be closed upon creating. Additionally, spam posts can slow down the Scratch servers and client's browser, even if the user has no intention of reading them.

Spam posts in the announcement forum have little to no impact on the scratch servers, as there are so few of them and they take up so little space and requests compared to many other things. The announcements forum acts simply as a place for announcements, and as a container for spam.

Computer_Fizz

badatprogrammingibe wrote:
Laptop_Fizz wrote:
badatprogrammingibe wrote:
The announcements forum is a container for spam, much like the show and tell forum is a container for advertisement. This is why spam is allowed in the announcements forum; usually the only post that matters in the announcement forum is the first post, and all other posts after it are irrelevant; hence spam isn't an issue.
If you prevented spam in the announcement forums, people would just spam in the other forums where spam actually is harmful. Similarly, if the show and tell forum were to be removed; I can bet that there would be many spam topics advertising projects in the other forums.
As an old saying goes: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I don't agree with this. Replying to the announcement can be useful to discuss the announcement or to ask questions. If it weren't so, then all announcements could simply be closed upon creating. Additionally, spam posts can slow down the Scratch servers and client's browser, even if the user has no intention of reading them.
Spam posts in the announcement forum have little to no impact on the scratch servers, as there are so few of them and they take up so little space and requests compared to many other things. The announcements forum acts simply as a place for announcements, and as a container for spam.

No. The more posts there are in a topic, the longer it takes to load, both server-side and client-side. That's why there have been about six ScratchBlocks testing topics now. A “container for spam” also hinders its use as an announcement forum.

StevenTheSquare

Support. Also, you said “stoipping” instead of “stopping”, you may wanna fix that.

Seth_Zaw

No support. This could be used for bullying.

MrFluffyPenguins

No support. People could spam to get to 100 posts..

cheesyfriedeggs

Seth_Zaw wrote:
No support. This could be used for bullying.

How could this be used for bullying?

OurPrincess

cheesyfriedeggs wrote:
Seth_Zaw wrote:
No support. This could be used for bullying.
How could this be used for bullying?

Someone could say, “Haha, you can't post in Annoucements.”.

coder2045

OurPrincess wrote:
cheesyfriedeggs wrote:
Seth_Zaw wrote:
No support. This could be used for bullying.
How could this be used for bullying?
Someone could say, “Haha, you can't post in Annoucements.”.

We can already do that with comments. Anyway, you can just report it.

coder2045

Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:
No support. People could spam to get to 100 posts..

I agree.

cheesyfriedeggs

OurPrincess wrote:
cheesyfriedeggs wrote:
Seth_Zaw wrote:
No support. This could be used for bullying.
How could this be used for bullying?
Someone could say, “Haha, you can't post in Annoucements.”.

That's why the report button exists.

Nambaseking01

Seth_Zaw wrote:
No support. This could be used for bullying.

Oh god, this is one of those posts that want to collect disadvantages and rule the world… Any suggestion can be used to bully, you know, you could bully someone because they are a New Scratcher and yet that doesn't happen thanks to the Community Guidelines.

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As I said before, I won't completely support this suggestion since people could spam on purpose to “unlock” the Announcements forum.

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