Cloud Variables Limited to 128 Characters Now?

Nambaseking01

For future posters, it is now 256 characters and not 128 as it got updated when Scratch 3.0 was released.

hedgehog_blue

Nambaseking01 wrote:
For future posters, it is now 256 characters and not 128 as it got updated when Scratch 3.0 was released.

It's interesting, because the change from 128 to 256 was on December 10 2018, meaning a majority of this topic's time was spent with the wrong title.

Nambaseking01

hedgehog_blue wrote:
It's interesting, because the change from 128 to 256 was on December 10 2018, meaning a majority of this topic's time was spent with the wrong title.

Yeah, but I don't think the OP is active and we can't report a topic just to change the title. Or should we?

AFasterSlowpoke

rather dumb update. the scratch team should at least notify the community about this update.

Saiid

Nambaseking01 wrote:
hedgehog_blue wrote:
It's interesting, because the change from 128 to 256 was on December 10 2018, meaning a majority of this topic's time was spent with the wrong title.

Yeah, but I don't think the OP is active and we can't report a topic just to change the title. Or should we?

you actually can

Atten007

We should change it to 512 or 1024 characters, and that they can display letters (for Cloud-Lists)

Sheep_maker

Atten007 wrote:
We should change it to 512 or 1024 characters, and that they can display letters (for Cloud-Lists)

How will that help hinder cloud chats?

Atten007

Sheep_maker wrote:
Atten007 wrote:
We should change it to 512 or 1024 characters, and that they can display letters (for Cloud-Lists)
How will that help hinder cloud chats?

Hmm … I don't really know …, maybe for better & bigger cloud chats

Atten007

Hi, @MCAnimator3D, you can close this topic now, because the number of maximal letters (in Cloud-Variables & cloud lists) was changed (with Scratch 3.0 to 256 letters. PLEASE close this!!!!!

Last edited by Atten007 (Jan. 28, 2020 12:17:50)

Sheep_maker

Atten007 wrote:
Sheep_maker wrote:
Atten007 wrote:
We should change it to 512 or 1024 characters, and that they can display letters (for Cloud-Lists)
How will that help hinder cloud chats?
Hmm … I don't really know …, maybe for better & bigger cloud chats

That's the opposite of what the Scratch team wants, though

Atten007 wrote:
Hi, @MCAnimator3D, you can close this topic now, because the number of maximal letters (in Cloud-Variables & cloud lists) was changed (with Scratch 3.0 to 256 letters. PLEASE close this!!!!!

The exact limit doesn't matter; the fact that there is a limit severely limits cloud capability compared to what was possible before, so this topic is still relevant

Dawson2015

griffpatch wrote:
it is still 256 chars

Dawson2015

griffpatch wrote:
it is still 256 chars

thisandagain wrote:
Hi folks,
As many of you have noticed we have added some limits to the Cloud Variables system that previously did not exist. We have added a 128 character limit and we are now restricting cloud variables to be numbers only (no hexadecimal, E-notation, etc). These new limits were put into place to prevent abuse of the cloud variables system that was causing it to be unreasonable to maintain, scale, moderate, and support financially. In addition, these new limits help reduce the possibility of projects like “Chat Rooms” (which are incredibly difficult for the ST to keep safe). We recognize that these new limits may impact some projects, but hope the community will be empathetic in understanding that as a non-profit Scratch needs to make sure that the services we provide are sustainable. Thanks for understanding and sorry it took a few days for us to clarify the situation.
I think that if the reason was to break chatrooms, basicly destroyed the cloud version of scratch, maybe there should be a special status to put more digits on the cloud, that would break down chatrooms and also give scratchers more oppertunitys!

codeballed

Hmm, I've experienced the same problem with cloud variables.
When I tested my Online Paint (broken), it seems like removing the 0s after the Es.

Maybe it's a float error. I tried adding e to Python (not scratch) and then the same problem happens.
During coding in Python:
>>> x = 99999999999999999999.9
>>> x
1e+20
>>> x = int(x)
>>> x
100000000000000000000
It also happens in Python. May I guess, the computer we're using? The phone?
The problem for my project is my project can produce a number to a maximum of 115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639935
which is 78 characters. But after i do this:

((115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639935) + (0))

it returns 1.157920892373162e+77 which is bad.
I remember our 64-bit computers can NOT handle this. except there's a thing called C# that has int256.
I don't know what to say, maybe you can handle this message.

Edit : I remember that the cloud variables don't contain any letters or E notation. But look at this : cloudmonitor of Online Paint
Still, the ST lied?

nevermind my project just got fixed by a new tactic

Last edited by codeballed (April 25, 2020 03:34:38)

novice27b

You're running into float64 precision issues.

-line

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Last edited by -line (April 26, 2020 16:13:58)

Craft0123

oh

Last edited by Craft0123 (May 7, 2020 08:11:00)

jsnotlout1

Truly the end of an era :C
But it was a needed fix. Still sad to see it happen though

19031801200308

I'm slightly concerned about the fact that we can only use digits in cloud variables

You can encode a character to a pair of digits though. That means no. of characters is limited to 64!! JavaScript's largest finite number is 1.7976931348623157e+309 which is way larger than 9.999999e+127 (Scratch's largest cloud variable number)

set (☁ score) to [1.7976931348623157e+309]

will already mess it up.

Last edited by 19031801200308 (Aug. 10, 2020 07:46:59)

19031801200308

The number of different cloud variables possible is a 128-digit number. -> 111……111.

Last edited by 19031801200308 (Aug. 10, 2020 07:35:18)

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