Discuss Scratch

Seth_Zaw
Scratcher
100+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

For example, people would get confused if there was a “share” instead of “publish”, because “share” means to give somebody something, not everybody something, that is the definition for “publish”.
So these terms should be renamed:
Share -> Publish
My Stuff -> My Work
Remix -> Save a copy
Studio -> Playlist
See inside -> View source (if not the creator), and Edit (if the creator)
Instructions and Notes and Credits -> Merged into Description
Scratcher -> User
If these weren't renamed, then people would get confused over definitions of words. So please rename them.
Starstriker3000
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

Remixing and saving copies both exist on Scratch, and they're completely different.
WindOctahedron
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

I disagree with most of your suggested changes.

  1. “My Stuff” also includes studios, and I think that most studios can't be considered as “work”.
  2. See Starstriker3000's post.
  3. Projects don't have to be videos or only with music. They can also be games, simulations, and much more, so “playlist” isn't a fitting term.

  4. “Merged into Description” is something different than just “renaming”. In fact, it is a separate suggestion and is a duplicate (wait, please).

(“…” = nothing to say.)

Also, do you have any evidence that people are actually confused?
Seth_Zaw
Scratcher
100+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

By “playlist” I mean a list of projects.
WindOctahedron
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

Seth_Zaw wrote:

By “playlist” I mean a list of projects.
Yes, I understand what you mean. I am simply saying that “playlist” only applies to videos and music, and not all studios contain only videos or music (because projects can be, for example, games), so “playlist” isn't a fitting term.
LegoManiac04
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

Seth_Zaw wrote:

If these weren't renamed, then people would get confused over definitions of words. So please rename them.
If these were renamed, then those millions of users that understand what the current terms mean would be extremely confused.

1. When you Share, you Share with the community, therefore, you share with everyone.
2. Well, it's your stuff! Projects and Studios are quite different, so I don't think that both would fall under “work”.
3. Remixing and Copying are two completely different things.
4. This doesn't make sense to me. Playlists are generally used for music.
5. I don't understand the use of “source”. What's inside the project isn't really the “source”.
6. Both are quite useful. I, and many others would not like having only one section. Plus Notes and Credits shows the user that they need to credit others.
7. This is Scratch. “Scratcher” makes sense and is more fun.

Let me remind you that Scratch is mainly used by younger kids. These younger kids will likely understand what the current terms mean versus the ones you are proposing.

Last edited by LegoManiac04 (Jan. 20, 2020 17:43:55)

Seth_Zaw
Scratcher
100+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

LegoManiac04 wrote:

5. I don't understand the use of “source”. What's inside the project isn't really the “source”.
When you right click on a web page, one of the buttons will say “View Source” and you can click it to see inside the code of the website.
-ShadowOfTheFuture-
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

Seth_Zaw wrote:

Share -> Publish
What everyone else has said. When you make a project available to everyone, you share it with the community. Hence, you share it.
My Stuff -> My Work
I mean, your work is your stuff…
Remix -> Save a copy
Saving a copy implies that you want to save an exact copy of the project (probably to look at later). Remixing implies that you want to build something new off of the project.
Studio -> Playlist
What everyone else has said. Playlists are for music or videos.
See inside -> View source (if not the creator), and Edit (if the creator)
While this would make sense since you're viewing the source code when you see inside a project, I think “see inside” is both easier to understand for younger users and also pretty self-explanatory (you're looking “inside” the project to see how it works).
Instructions and Notes and Credits -> Merged into Description
@LegoManiac04 explained it pretty well.
Scratcher -> User
“Scratcher” is pretty self-explanatory: someone who “Scratches”, or uses Scratch. It also sounds more informal and could possibly be more appealing to younger kids than “user”, which is more general.
Seth_Zaw
Scratcher
100+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

By playlist, I meant “playable list”
-FasterThanLight-
Scratcher
100+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

We use Scratcher because it is evocative of Scratch, to try to cement it in our mind. The Studio -> Playlist would be strange due to the fact that the word Playlist is used to denote a group of music of videos, not games.

Plus, Scratch can be used by by very young people, and it make sense to use simpler words because of this.

I hope you understand.
hedgehog_blue
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

I do think that “see inside” might be unclear, but “View source” sounds too complex, when scratch wants everyone to understand what each thing does. I originally thought that “See code” and “edit” might be better names, but maybe not, because projects are not just code, there is also sounds and costumes, and there are a lot of projects that mention the see inside button (such as projects that you have to see inside to find code puzzles, enter contests, or backpack code), and now they will all be saying the wrong thing.

In my opinion, instructions and notes and credits are better separated, because then it reminds users to give credit to the things they use and explain to users how to use their project. Scratch allows empty sections on projects to disappear, so if you want to just have a description, use only one of the sections.
apple502j
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

Also, you can edit others' projects - just you cannot save. It's totally fine to add code and make a better game (or just cheat a platformer )
coder2045
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

Seth_Zaw wrote:

For example, people would get confused if there was a “share” instead of “publish”, because “share” means to give somebody something, not everybody something, that is the definition for “publish”.
So these terms should be renamed:
Share -> Publish
My Stuff -> My Work
Remix -> Save a copy
Studio -> Playlist
See inside -> View source (if not the creator), and Edit (if the creator)
Instructions and Notes and Credits -> Merged into Description
Scratcher -> User
If these weren't renamed, then people would get confused over definitions of words. So please rename them.
1.
2. “My Stuff” seems good enough. Why change it?
3. What would they rename the “What the Community is Remixing” section on the Front Page to? “Most Copies Saved?”
4. Why?
5. “See Inside” seems easier to understand than “View Source.”
6.
OurPrincess
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

No Support:
1. Share doesn't have to mean give one person something, you can say “I shared with everyone.” and it would still make sense! Also, some people might not know what Publish means, since this is for younger children.
2. It's OK to just keep it the way it is. “My Stuff” can be easily known as your work.
3. Save a copy is literally not changing anything to the project. Although, we remix to change something! Remix and Save A Copy are two completely opposite things!
4. A studio and a playlist are completely different things! A playlist is automatically playing the projects and a studio is for chatting in the comments and sharing projects.
5. “See inside” is better because “View source” might be confusing to younger children.
6. The “Instructions” part and the “Notes and Credits” part are for the instructions and crediting other Scratchers.
7. Scratchers are part of Scratch. If they would be called Users, Scratch would feel quite a bit dull and boring to me. (Noun: Scratch -> Noun: Scratch + er = Scratcher) Not everything has to be dull.
Seth_Zaw
Scratcher
100+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

Again, by “playlist”, the word “play” in it is not in “playing a video”, it is in “playing a game”.
-ShadowOfTheFuture-
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

Seth_Zaw wrote:

Again, by “playlist”, the word “play” in it is not in “playing a video”, it is in “playing a game”.
A playlist is, by definition, a list of recorded songs or, in the case of Youtube, videos meant to be played. Even if your intent is for “play” to mean “playing a project”, that would still cause a lot of confusion with the established definition, which goes against your original intention of clearing up confusion.
WindOctahedron
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

-ShadowOfTheFuture- wrote:

Seth_Zaw wrote:

Again, by “playlist”, the word “play” in it is not in “playing a video”, it is in “playing a game”.
A playlist is, by definition, a list of recorded songs or, in the case of Youtube, videos meant to be played. Even if your intent is for “play” to mean “playing a project”, that would still cause a lot of confusion with the established definition, which goes against your original intention of clearing up confusion.
Yes. There's a similar thing with “letterbox”; it cannot mean “a box for As, Bs, Cs, and so on”, only “a box for messages (for someone) written on a piece of paper”.
Paddle2See
Scratch Team
1000+ posts

Most Scratch terms should be renamed.

We're pretty happy with the terminology we currently have. Most Scratchers seem to figure it out pretty fast.

Thanks for your submission though.

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