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Ihaveexpectations wrote:

Support for viewing projects, not for loving or favouriting them as some users are banned for spamming loves or favourites.

No, I don't get how enjoying a project could be against the Guidelines.

Ihaveexpectations wrote:

Support for viewing projects, not for loving or favouriting them as some users are banned for spamming loves or favourites.

I'm afraid that claim is ridiculous. Spamming loves or favourites only benefits the spammed user, since they get more attention to their projects.

Sigton

I've been banned, but the only place I couldn't go were project pages, my Messages, and the Discuss area while logged in. I think this was by design; with cloud data, anyone with an account that can view a project can modify the cloud data, and thus people could evade their ban by using cloud data to communicate with others.

braxbroscratcher wrote:

I've been banned, but the only place I couldn't go were project pages, my Messages, and the Discuss area while logged in. I think this was by design; with cloud data, anyone with an account that can view a project can modify the cloud data, and thus people could evade their ban by using cloud data to communicate with others.

Maybe they couldn't use cloud data while banned like with New Scratchers?

edit: fixed a spelling error

Support, people are banned for something they did, not what they viewed.

PrincessPanda_test_ wrote:

Support, people are banned for something they did, not what they viewed.

someone may be banned for something they viewed

KawaiiCatGirl- wrote:

PrincessPanda_test_ wrote:

Support, people are banned for something they did, not what they viewed.

someone may be banned for something they viewed

I don't understand how. Please give me an example.

dvargasews wrote:

KawaiiCatGirl- wrote:

PrincessPanda_test_ wrote:

Support, people are banned for something they did, not what they viewed.

someone may be banned for something they viewed

I don't understand how. Please give me an example.

idk it was a joke

KawaiiCatGirl- wrote:

well, my old acc got banned, and all it was was a misudnerstanding

Somebody In my coding club teased another scratcher, then HE backfired really badly, then ANOTHER person from my coding club reported HIS comment, then the guy who got reported then reported the reporter so many times that he got blocked. (The first reporter, I mean.)

The_Winged_Cat wrote:

KawaiiCatGirl- wrote:

well, my old acc got banned, and all it was was a misudnerstanding

Somebody In my coding club teased another scratcher, then HE backfired really badly, then ANOTHER person from my coding club reported HIS comment, then the guy who got reported then reported the reporter so many times that he got blocked. (The first reporter, I mean.)

Then they were worthy of a block for spamming/abusing the report button.

There's a good reason it's punishable to constantly obstruct justice.

So, if this was implemented, banned users would experience the same thing as users without an account, or users with unconfirmed email addresses?
It wouldn't make much sense, because banned users would experience the same thing as someone not logged in (excluding being able to use cloud data) , and it wouldn't really make users want to try harder not to break the community guidelines.

You know, this is a nice idea. You could have been having a bad day, or just something was going on that the Scratch team didn't know about. And although you could have done something that was violating one or more of Scratch's rules, you should be able to view the site at least.
Support!

Everybody, please remember, banning is a punsihment. Points like “the person might have not known the rules” or “the person was wrongly banned” are irrelevant to this: would you make prisons nicer because some criminals may have been wrongly convicted?

There is harm in letting users love and fave projects.. the user does not feel punished. Perhaps letting them download projects is a good idea, but not edit them (as you can communicate through shared projects).

jokebookservice1 wrote:

Everybody, please remember, banning is a punsihment. Points like “the person might have not known the rules” or “the person was wrongly banned” are irrelevant to this: would you make prisons nicer because some criminals may have been wrongly convicted?

There is harm in letting users love and fave projects.. the user does not feel punished. Perhaps letting them download projects is a good idea, but not edit them (as you can communicate through shared projects).

but prisons are different, this is punishing kids.

giving kids harsh punishments may lead to worse behavior, depression of not being able to work on something they were working on, etc cetera. idk really how to explain what I mean, but treating kids like criminals is a bit harsh

KawaiiCatGirl- wrote:

giving kids harsh punishments may lead to worse behavior, depression of not being able to work on something they were working on, etc cetera. idk really how to explain what I mean, but treating kids like criminals is a bit harsh

That's called a slippery slope fallacy, kids; as well, you're basing arguments on “if” or “might”.
I've been IPd in the past, for doing bad things- of course, I've changed since then, but now I know not to do stupid things. Honestly, I'd rather not get messages while under ban, because I would just feel even more left out. And from this personal experience, I know that nobody's got crippling depression from being blocked from a kids' website.
I support only if you are restricted from using community functions (using an account, visiting forums, etc.)

I don't know how it feels to be banned, but I agree with jokebookservice1; being banned is a punishment.
Remember, it's not like the kids don't know they're doing something wrong; they don't just get banned on the spot, they get banned after a few alerts. It's their fault if they don't read the alerts or they continue the bad behaviour.
I feel like the users are banned from viewing projects to prevent from using Cloud Data to chat on chat rooms, and to prevent commenting. It might even be to prevent favourites, as if you favourite a project, it'll save it for later, so if you finally get the ban repealed then you could go right to that favourited project, unfavourite, then spam it.
Getting banned is a punishment; and if you think the punishment is unfair, then just don't do those bad things that'll get you banned.

IronBit_Studios wrote:

KawaiiCatGirl- wrote:

giving kids harsh punishments may lead to worse behavior, depression of not being able to work on something they were working on, etc cetera. idk really how to explain what I mean, but treating kids like criminals is a bit harsh

That's called a slippery slope fallacy

Actually, it is not. A slippery slope fallacy would be something like “if we treat kids like criminals then eventually we will treat them as monsters” as far as I understand. Here, they were just saying what they thought would happen to some kids.

WolfCat67 wrote:

I don't know how it feels to be banned, but I agree with jokebookservice1; being banned is a punishment.
Remember, it's not like the kids don't know they're doing something wrong; they don't just get banned on the spot, they get banned after a few alerts. It's their fault if they don't read the alerts or they continue the bad behaviour.
I feel like the users are banned from viewing projects to prevent from using Cloud Data to chat on chat rooms, and to prevent commenting. It might even be to prevent favourites, as if you favourite a project, it'll save it for later, so if you finally get the ban repealed then you could go right to that favourited project, unfavourite, then spam it.
Getting banned is a punishment; and if you think the punishment is unfair, then just don't do those bad things that'll get you banned.

Well, a sibling may be using your account and you don't know it

KawaiiCatGirl- wrote:

WolfCat67 wrote:

I don't know how it feels to be banned, but I agree with jokebookservice1; being banned is a punishment.
Remember, it's not like the kids don't know they're doing something wrong; they don't just get banned on the spot, they get banned after a few alerts. It's their fault if they don't read the alerts or they continue the bad behaviour.
I feel like the users are banned from viewing projects to prevent from using Cloud Data to chat on chat rooms, and to prevent commenting. It might even be to prevent favourites, as if you favourite a project, it'll save it for later, so if you finally get the ban repealed then you could go right to that favourited project, unfavourite, then spam it.
Getting banned is a punishment; and if you think the punishment is unfair, then just don't do those bad things that'll get you banned.

Well, a sibling may be using your account and you don't know it

Out of interest, have you been reading the responses (no offence)? I don't want to be rude, but I already explained that you don't make the punishment lesser just because people have been falsely convicted, otherwise prisons would be nice.