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jji7skyline
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

Lightnin wrote:

Happy_echiniscus wrote:

Please make bitmaps higher resoloution. I was wanting to make a program for reading a comic I have made. I scanned in the page and saved it as a high quality bitmap but when I imported it into scratch 2.0 it was pixilated. I am sure this would be helpful for a lot of other people' s projects too. As a lot of people are wanting to make pixel art, it might be good to be able to change the resoloution.

Yeah! We're thinking of saving the bitmap original at a higher resolution, so that if the user makes it bigger with a block or the biggening tool (yes, I just made that up ) the image won't get as pixelated. It'll be a couple weeks before we bring that in - but check it out when it shows up and let us know what you think!
Aweshum!!! Then bitmaps will smoother on full screen as well
learnegy
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

johnm wrote:

Since the conversion from vector to bitmap loses the object structure, converting from vector to bitmap and back won't give you back the set of vector objects you started with. So if you want to work in both editors, you'll want to plan ahead.
Will it possible to undo a vector to bitmap conversion?

Last edited by learnegy (March 8, 2013 18:32:40)

natalie
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

learnegy wrote:

johnm wrote:

Since the conversion from vector to bitmap loses the object structure, converting from vector to bitmap and back won't give you back the set of vector objects you started with. So if you want to work in both editors, you'll want to plan ahead.
Will it possible to undo a vector to bitmap conversion?

Yes, if you do it right after you convert it. Also, the current plan is for there to be a preview so you can see what it would look like after the conversion and then you can choose OK or Cancel.
MrsCalder
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

Will it be possible to use different fonts and simple text editing like underlining, bold and italics?
uglysquidward
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

This sounds cool!
OrcaCat
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

natalie wrote:

learnegy wrote:

johnm wrote:

Since the conversion from vector to bitmap loses the object structure, converting from vector to bitmap and back won't give you back the set of vector objects you started with. So if you want to work in both editors, you'll want to plan ahead.
Will it possible to undo a vector to bitmap conversion?

Yes, if you do it right after you convert it. Also, the current plan is for there to be a preview so you can see what it would look like after the conversion and then you can choose OK or Cancel.
Why not have them act as separate layers?
nathanprocks
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

OrcaCat wrote:

natalie wrote:

learnegy wrote:

johnm wrote:

Since the conversion from vector to bitmap loses the object structure, converting from vector to bitmap and back won't give you back the set of vector objects you started with. So if you want to work in both editors, you'll want to plan ahead.
Will it possible to undo a vector to bitmap conversion?

Yes, if you do it right after you convert it. Also, the current plan is for there to be a preview so you can see what it would look like after the conversion and then you can choose OK or Cancel.
Why not have them act as separate layers?
That's exactly what I was thinking.
nXIII
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

nathanprocks wrote:

OrcaCat wrote:

natalie wrote:

learnegy wrote:

johnm wrote:

Since the conversion from vector to bitmap loses the object structure, converting from vector to bitmap and back won't give you back the set of vector objects you started with. So if you want to work in both editors, you'll want to plan ahead.
Will it possible to undo a vector to bitmap conversion?

Yes, if you do it right after you convert it. Also, the current plan is for there to be a preview so you can see what it would look like after the conversion and then you can choose OK or Cancel.
Why not have them act as separate layers?
That's exactly what I was thinking.
I think when you switch to bitmap you'd want to be able to manipulate the vector image as a bitmap, just like when you switch to vector you'd want to be able to manipulate the bitmap image as a vector object.
yoland
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

Can't Wait!!!!!!!!!! The Vector Editior is VERY VERY VERY I MEAN IT VERY Confusing.
soniku3
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

yoland wrote:

Can't Wait!!!!!!!!!! The Vector Editior is VERY VERY VERY I MEAN IT VERY Confusing.
I don't think it's THAT confusing. Don't you have GIMP?
bunny897
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

I do like this idea. Will Scratch 1.4 still be on?
soniku3
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

bunny897 wrote:

I do like this idea. Will Scratch 1.4 still be on?
No.
bullelk12
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

Uhhh… what happened to the eraser?
OrcaCat
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

nXIII wrote:

nathanprocks wrote:

OrcaCat wrote:

natalie wrote:

learnegy wrote:

johnm wrote:

Since the conversion from vector to bitmap loses the object structure, converting from vector to bitmap and back won't give you back the set of vector objects you started with. So if you want to work in both editors, you'll want to plan ahead.
Will it possible to undo a vector to bitmap conversion?

Yes, if you do it right after you convert it. Also, the current plan is for there to be a preview so you can see what it would look like after the conversion and then you can choose OK or Cancel.
Why not have them act as separate layers?
That's exactly what I was thinking.
I think when you switch to bitmap you'd want to be able to manipulate the vector image as a bitmap, just like when you switch to vector you'd want to be able to manipulate the bitmap image as a vector object.
Oh, I see. Why not have options? Although the Scratch team is opposed to options…
Lightnin
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

OrcaCat wrote:

Oh, I see. Why not have options? Although the Scratch team is opposed to options…

Heheh, it's true, we are kind of opposed to options. You see, every individual option can seem like a good idea. But they tend to add up. The more options you accept, the more complex your interface becomes. And eventually you have an interface that looks like this:



Also - when you are an experienced user, it's easy to understand a new option – it's just one more thing to learn. But when you are a new user, you have to learn all the available options at once. So one more thing added onto the 25 other things you have to learn to make a Scratch project really does make it harder. And when you add another, and another, and another…. the difficulty goes up exponentially. For an example of how this works, try making something in Blender (if you've never used it before.) How many things do you have to understand just to get started? How far can you get in 15 minutes? Now try to make something simple in Sketchup. Sketchup has a lot fewer options, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

So, it's not that we are automatically opposed to options. It's just that they have to *really* be needed for us to add them in, because they come at a cost.

Last edited by Lightnin (March 19, 2013 12:11:35)

Gaza101
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

You can access the bitmap editor even though it hasn't been released yet, wanna know how?
Lightnin
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

Gaza101 wrote:

You can access the bitmap editor even though it hasn't been released yet, wanna know how?

Eh, it's ok if you figured it out. But please: I don't want to have to answer 7,000,000 questions about an interim paint editor that we never even released, k?
Just wait a couple days.

Last edited by Lightnin (March 19, 2013 18:36:32)

Gaza101
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

Lightnin wrote:

Gaza101 wrote:

You can access the bitmap editor even though it hasn't been released yet, wanna know how?

Eh, it's ok if you figured it out. But please: I don't want to have to answer 7,000,000 questions about an interim paint editor that we never even released, k?
Just wait a couple days.

Sure, I guess I shouldn't be posting any images then?

BTW, did you know theres a bug that makes it go purple

Last edited by Gaza101 (March 20, 2013 16:20:26)

Lightnin
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Rethinking the Scratch 2.0 Paint Editor

Thanks to everyone who posted here with encouragement and suggestions!

We've released the first iteration of the changes described in this thread. Please try it out, and give us feedback on this other thread:
http://mv.ezproxy.com.ezproxyberklee.flo.org/forums/topic/3320/?page=1#post-17872

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